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Trump administration bans China passenger planes effective June 16

Old Jun 4, 20, 3:00 am
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Originally Posted by Austin Luo View Post
USC (Los Angeles) just announced the start of their fall semester to be in person on August 16th.
Many of them would prefer to spend less than $6,000 in order to get there.
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Old Jun 4, 20, 3:03 am
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Originally Posted by moondog View Post
Many of them would prefer to spend less than $6,000 in order to get there.
They need to get the visa as well which isnít happening as for some reason consulates arenít operating whilst everything else in China is working normally.
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Old Jun 4, 20, 3:19 am
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No matter. Those direct flights from China aren't going to work for returning students in any event. If you've spent any of the past 14 days in Mainland China, you cannot enter the U.S. unless you're a U.S. citizen, permanent resident or a close relative of same, etc.

Students from from Mainland China heading to the U.S. would first need to spend 14 days in a safe-harbor elsewhere, then fly to the U.S. So the direct flights to the U.S. are irrelevant.
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Old Jun 4, 20, 5:52 am
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It appears there is hope on the horizon. In 5 months the sun may begin to shine and a return to normalcy. In the mean time people will have to endure this p contest.
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Originally Posted by 889 View Post
No matter. Those direct flights from China aren't going to work for returning students in any event. If you've spent any of the past 14 days in Mainland China, you cannot enter the U.S. unless you're a U.S. citizen, permanent resident or a close relative of same, etc.

Students from from Mainland China heading to the U.S. would first need to spend 14 days in a safe-harbor elsewhere, then fly to the U.S. So the direct flights to the U.S. are irrelevant.
Given that the virus is under control in china, I fully expect that US will lift travel ban on China in August.

Chinese students spend lots of money in US.
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Old Jun 4, 20, 7:15 am
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"Given that the virus is under control in china, I fully expect that US will lift travel ban on China in August."

I think the White House is going to be very reluctant to accept at face value any reports from the Chinese government that it has the virus under control.
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Old Jun 4, 20, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by YariGuy View Post
CAAC worked overtime last night to respond.

New policy that just came out says any airline can fly to 1 destination in China, once per week.

https://whtc.com/news/articles/2020/...-section=world

If they go 3 weeks without a positive case the airline can increase to 2 flights. However if they exceed 5 positive cases they get suspended.

The pressure from the US worked. Who thinks Trump should hold out for more?
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Standing up and pushing back works so keep doing it.

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Old Jun 4, 20, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu View Post
It appears there is hope on the horizon. In 5 months the sun may begin to shine and a return to normalcy. In the mean time people will have to endure this p contest.
The sun is shining today. Open your shades, blinds, shutters, curtains, and windows and look outside. Out side of china the people have had enough.
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Old Jun 4, 20, 10:15 am
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Originally Posted by amtrakusa View Post
totally agree.

all UA will transport is chinese citizens wanting to go home. they have a god-given right to go home. why is UA at fault if chinese citizens returning to china later develop virus? how does UA even control for that? test before boarding? temperature check? passenger promising a $XXX fine to UA if he/she later tests positive in China and UA is punished? HOw does UA know the pax didn't get the virus in China later in quarantine?


beside, who is to determine someone is COVID-positive? who does testing? what tests (chinese made tests?) do you use? how many times do you test to make sure it is not a false positive? does it count if pax is not exhibiting symptoms? it is a slippery slope. better let DOT deny all traffic until this nonsense goes away.
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Given that the virus is under control in china, I fully expect that US will lift travel ban on China in August.
Under control? You mean like how (even according to Chinese media) they found 300 asymptomatic carriers of it in Wuhan? That's not under control. Test and quarantine all incoming travelers no matter their origin if you want to get this under control.
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Old Jun 4, 20, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by kb1992 View Post
Given that the virus is under control in china, I fully expect that US will lift travel ban on China in August.

Chinese students spend lots of money in US.
Undergraduates do, and they're often not eligible for any financial aid from the university. Most foreign graduate students in the USA, including those from mainland China, are fully funded by their USA university. The same is true for postdocs (often with research associate or similar positions).
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Old Jun 4, 20, 10:37 am
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Does it really matter to most of us who want to fly, but cannot due to US’s infection numbers are still on the rise?

Even, if China allows United and Delta as many Daily flights to China as they want, how many of us are actually going to be able to get in or anywhere in Asia-Pacific?

I see some people are getting excited that HK and Singapore are allowing transit passengers. My question is why the excitement? Where are they transiting to? Transit back to the US? There is no need to do status run, the status has been extended for another year in case people have not heard.

Hard for me to get excited about resumption of flights that I cannot use.

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Old Jun 4, 20, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer View Post
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Even, if China allows United and Delta as many Daily flights to China as they want, how many of us are actually going to be able to get in or anywhere in Asia-Pacific?

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Pretty much none unless you have a diplomatic passport. If so, you probably have the wherewithal to jump on a charter flight. ( so much for that, read today US banning China charter flights)

The order made it clear that the U.S. would not approve Chinese charter flights that have become an increasingly common way for Chinese nationals to return to their home country.

3 The Department has learned through diplomatic channels that Chinese carriers may be using passenger charter operations as a way of circumventing the CAAC Notice limitations on scheduled passenger services and thereby further increasing their advantage over U.S. carriers in providing U.S.-China passenger services. The Department is also concerned that some of the applications submitted to it for a number of these charter operations may not have accurately reflected the true nature of the services involved. All such charters are subject to prior approval by the Department, and, in light of these concerns, as well as the failure of China to honor the ability of U.S. carriers to exercise the rights to which they are entitled under the Agreement to operate scheduled passenger service, the Department intends to exercise its prior approval power as to any future Chinese carrier passenger charter applications with the highest degree of scrutiny. No Chinese carrier should assume that approval of any such applications will necessarily be forthcoming.
https://www.transportation.gov/sites...-1%20Final.pdf

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Old Jun 4, 20, 8:11 pm
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During the height of the disastrous PPE equipment shortages in the US, the majority of flights from China were not carrying passengers, only freight. US airlines (like most other countries) themselves stopped flights to China. They were not forced to originally by the Chinese Government.

Subsequently as the virus came more under control in China and other Asian regions, China sensibly introduced their 5/1 policy. It was stated at the time that a review would be held on relaxing / opening up to 'western' carriers that had voluntarily stopped their original scheduled flights.

The rules have been applied fairly to all countries - not singling out the US - some of these points seem to be conveniently forgotten or overlooked by some.

I am sure that behind the scenes, China was allowed by the US administration to continue some flights in exchange for co-operation during the 'air bridge' operation supplying PPE to fill the gaps in the US shortages.

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Old Jun 4, 20, 8:39 pm
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Chinese nationals as such have never been blocked from the U.S. If they hold green cards they can enter the U.S. If they haven't been to Mainland China or Schengen in the past 14 days they can enter the U.S.
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Originally Posted by EMIC View Post
During the height of the disastrous PPE equipment shortages in the US, the majority of flights from China were not carrying passengers, only freight. US airlines (like most other countries) themselves stopped flights to China. They were not forced to originally by the Chinese Government.
US carriers never stopped cargo flights into China. Everyone, PRC and US passenger and cargo carriers have been operating cargo flights.

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Subsequently as the virus came more under control in China and other Asian regions, China sensibly introduced their 5/1 policy. It was stated at the time that a review would be held on relaxing / opening up to 'western' carriers that had voluntarily stopped their original scheduled flights.
How sensible is it to say your baseline is the week of March 12? And if you were zero you remain zero forever?
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