Which longhaul routes to/from China will be cut by end of Q1 2020?
I am not sure whether this topic is covered in other threads, as well. Please point me to them, if possible.
With the coronavirus outbreak many airlines are issueing travel waivers for China. "High yield" business passenger may be barred from flying to China by company policy. Moreover, tour group travel from China seem to be have been suspended, as well. Even without the corona-virus outbreak, judging on the recent low J-fares, I assume that PVG and PEK are fighting with overcapacity. My prediction on route cuts: - LH FRA-PVG (seasonal late night departure from Frankfurt) - OS VIE-PVG CONFIRMED - IT IS CUT - HO DUB-HEL-PVG - EK DXB-PVG (cut of one daily frequency) - BA LHR-PVG (cut of one daily frequency) CONFIRMED - IT IS CUT - KL AMS-PVG (cut of the second daily) CONFIRMED CUT - CZ FRA-CSX-CAN - MU FRA-PVG - CX FRA-HKG (permanent cut of second daily) - CA MUC-PVG - AY HEL-PVG (cut of the second daily) - CA ARN-PEK - LH FRA-NKG cut confirmed - LH FRA-SHE cut confirmed - HU PRG-PEK - CA PEK-MSQ-BUD - LH MUC-PEK cut confirmed - CA LHR-PEK (cut of second daily) - MU CDG-PVG (cut of second daily) - MU LAX-PVG (cut of second daily) - MU ORD-PVG - UA ORD-PVG cut confirmed - DL LAX-PVG cut confirmed - MU YVR-PVG (cut of second daily) ... and many more |
Latest OAG shows HU cutting back PEK-SJC to one flight per week in March. I would say they will pull this flight.
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So all BA flights from LHR to Mainland China (that means only to PEK and PVG) have been cut.
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LH wants to cancel all flights to China.
https://www.bild.de/geld/wirtschaft/...0544.bild.html |
Could we please discuss capacity reductions to/from China here !
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Please be aware the list on the top consists of both forecasts and confirmed cuts.
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I think all predictions - made 4 days ago - will become true. Soon all fights in/out Mainland China will be cut.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1ZT1RZ |
as predicted KLM has all halted its flight to Mainland China.
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Originally Posted by warakorn
(Post 32016108)
as predicted KLM has all halted its flight to Mainland China.
https://news.delta.com/delta-tempora...s-china-flying |
So suppose some foreign national wants/needs to leave mainland China after about February 5th. What options are left? Mainland Chinese carriers such as MU and CZ to LAX? CX through HKG to LHR? SIN connections are out and it's not clear how long HKG will permit transit from mainland China originating passengers.
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Originally Posted by warakorn
(Post 31999067)
I am not sure whether this topic is covered in other threads, as well. Please point me to them, if possible.
With the coronavirus outbreak many airlines are issueing travel waivers for China. "High yield" business passenger may be barred from flying to China by company policy. Moreover, tour group travel from China seem to be have been suspended, as well. Even without the corona-virus outbreak, judging on the recent low J-fares, I assume that PVG and PEK are fighting with overcapacity. My prediction on route cuts: - LH FRA-PVG (seasonal late night departure from Frankfurt) - OS VIE-PVG CONFIRMED - IT IS CUT - HO DUB-HEL-PVG - EK DXB-PVG (cut of one daily frequency) - BA LHR-PVG (cut of one daily frequency) CONFIRMED - IT IS CUT - KL AMS-PVG (cut of the second daily) CONFIRMED CUT - CZ FRA-CSX-CAN - MU FRA-PVG - CX FRA-HKG (permanent cut of second daily) - CA MUC-PVG - AY HEL-PVG (cut of the second daily) - CA ARN-PEK - LH FRA-NKG cut confirmed - LH FRA-SHE cut confirmed - HU PRG-PEK - CA PEK-MSQ-BUD - LH MUC-PEK cut confirmed - CA LHR-PEK (cut of second daily) - MU CDG-PVG (cut of second daily) - MU LAX-PVG (cut of second daily) - MU ORD-PVG - UA ORD-PVG - DL LAX-PVG - MU YVR-PVG (cut of second daily) ... and many more
Originally Posted by warakorn
(Post 32007140)
So all BA flights from LHR to Mainland China (that means only to PEK and PVG) have been cut.
Originally Posted by warakorn
(Post 32007933)
LH wants to cancel all flights to China.
https://www.bild.de/geld/wirtschaft/...0544.bild.html Am I missing something important here? After these three (+1 other post), there's a complaint - mostly on your own posts, it seems.
Originally Posted by warakorn
(Post 32011307)
Could we please discuss capacity reductions to/from China here !
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 32016538)
So suppose some foreign national wants/needs to leave mainland China after about February 5th. What options are left? Mainland Chinese carriers such as MU and CZ to LAX? CX through HKG to LHR? SIN connections are out and it's not clear how long HKG will permit transit from mainland China originating passengers.
To your question, Qantas/JetStar/Air New Zealand may be options for now. |
Originally Posted by TTT
(Post 32016474)
So has Delta through 30 April, last flight leaving China on 5 Feb.
https://news.delta.com/delta-tempora...s-china-flying Newsroom - American Airlines Update on China Flights - American Airlines Group, Inc. |
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 32016709)
Am I missing something important here? After these three (+1 other post), there's a complaint - mostly on your own posts, it seems.
It all seems rather confusing. May we ask you to explain what your point is ? |
overcapacity?
The real question is whether (or not) commercial carriers have scheduled more flights to/from China going forward?
My guess is no. As one commentator said this week, China is too important a player in supply management for the Fortune 500. Also. its much easier to downguage e.g. replace a 787-9 with a 777. AC could do that YUL-PVG. |
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