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Richym99 Aug 24, 2017 11:01 pm

Shanghai for three nights as a first timer.
 
I'm tempted to do a final trip on the UA 747's before they get retired at the end of October, and have a chance while out in the US at the end of next month.

Shanghai is the obvious option for me, as it ties in nicely with the need for a few more miles towards my 1K qualification, as well as a first opportunity to try the 777-300 on a PS flight. However, I'm nervous about commiting to it, as I know very little about the City, and the obvious language barriers that will arise from being a Brit who is totally hopeless with languages.

I understand about the need for a visa etc, but is anyone willing to share their experience in the same situation, visiting Shanghai for the first time.

How much of a handicap is it, not having any language skills?

Is navigating the public transport system relatively easy?

Are there any reasonably priced English speaking tour companies that can provide a snapshot of what the City has to offer for the couple of days I'll be there?

I appreciate that the City is now a major business centre in China, but not sure how geared up it is to foreign tourism. Any hints or reassurance would be much appreciated.

mrjay Aug 25, 2017 12:06 am

Go for it! Shanghai is quite easy for a westerner.

I don't speak or read the language and have been to Shanghai numerous times. Many places are accustomed to dealing with westerners, many (most?) street signs have the street names in English too, the metro kiosks have an English language option and the announcements on the subway are in both Mandarin and English, so getting around is pretty easy.
If you want to take a taxi, be sure to have the destination written out in Mandarin.

The only tour I've ever taken in China is the Shanghai "foodie" untour, which you can find and book on tripadvisor. I quite enjoy street food and small mom/pop eateries around the world, and will highly recommend that tour if you're also adventurous with what you eat.

I'll be in Shanghai again during mid/late September, but don't yet know exactly which days. If we happen to be there at the same time, I'd be happy to meet up with you for a beer or something.

Richym99 Aug 25, 2017 1:10 am

mrjay. Thanks a lot for the encouragement and the advice.

Much appreciated.

Hoyaheel Aug 25, 2017 11:31 am

Ditto the Untour - we did Night Markets (dumplings was sold out but a co-worker did it last year on my recommendation and loved it!)

I had a few trips to Shanghai in 2014-2015 for work and my husband came with me on my 3rd trip - his first trip to Asia -and he was really worried ahead of time, but loved it! He went with a guide the first day (he was alone for 2 days while I worked, and we hired a student friend of one of the assistants on my projects) but was confident on the subway on his own the next day. We have no Chinese language skills but still managed to do things like find the 3 story eyeglass mall and order 5 pairs of glasses:D

[we spent my work time at a local/Chinese business hotel but then transferred to Hyatt on the Bund for our "tourist time" - it met our hotel priorities and was a great location for us - but I have to say, the Chinese business hotel is on top of a subway stop that's super easy to access from the airport and HOTB is not ;-)]

Bluehen1 Aug 25, 2017 1:54 pm

You'll have no problems. Shanghai isn't all that difficult to get around if you don't speak the language. I lived there for almost two years (about to celebrate a year being home and am heading over in a week or so to visit) and I didn't pick up the language. The metro system is well marked in Chinese and English. There are few tourist places you'll visit, if any, that won't have English language displays. Most large restaurants have menus in English and if they don't they'll have pictures. Only the most local of restaurants will be difficult. There's nearly a half million expats in Shanghai and you'll survive just fine without heading to Laowai Jie (Foreigner's Street) every night.

One thing that will make your life easier is to be sure to take a copy of the hotel's address card when you arrive as well as ask for a tourist map. If you decide to take a taxi, the address card will help you get back to the hotel. The tourist maps usually have the big tourist locations written in Chinese so you can point at them and the taxi driver will know where to take you.

LHR/MEL/Europe FF Aug 25, 2017 6:27 pm

One evening I would recommend going down to the Bund (easy to access). Have dinner at Lost Heaven (reasonably priced, good atmosphere, bookings essential). After dinner take in the Bund with the lights at night, then go for a drink at the Long Bar at the Waldorf Astoria (about 20 yards away from Lost Heaven). The Long Bar is a restored 1920's bar, live music, great service, good cocktails and very reasonably priced by Western standards.

Have you sorted accommodation? You may want to concider somewhere like the Astor House. It's on the Bund, but a little walk from the main drag. It's an historic hotel with lots of atmosphere. Quirky though! But very well priced. Available on most booking engines.

Richym99 Aug 26, 2017 1:46 am

Some great information. Thanks a lot folks.

At the moment, I've booked an "ultra sassy double suite" in the Metropolo Classiq at the Bund. Reasonably priced (£135 a night), for what looks like a very large room with a view, in the right location.

jerseygirl Aug 26, 2017 4:10 pm

We took a boat ride from the Bund after dark, buildings with neon were fabulous

Richym99 Oct 7, 2017 4:22 am

Thanks for the suggestions.

Have just got back from Shanghai and all I can say is that is is organised chaos. Of course, I didn't realise that I was arriving the first day of a seven day public holiday for Golden Week.

Getting through immigration was a breeze, in fact easier than getting in to the US and took the Maglev into the city to connect with line 2, intending to get off at Nanjing Road East, the nearest metro station to the hotel, only to find it was closed and we sailed straight through. Found out later that due to numbers of people trying to get to the Bund they closed the station at four in the afternoon every day. Ended up in People's Square totally lost, but thankfully a door man at the Radisson Blue helped get a taxi for me.

Spent the first day having a wander around, and headed over to the Financial World Tower, which had surprisingly short lines. Sadly, by the time I got to the top, the cloud had closed in. Not my day. For the evening, I did an Untour food tour, booked through Viator. Well recommended, a guide from Mexico City who had lived in Shanghai for seven years and took us to three back street restaurants from distinct areas of China, including the muslim area in the far north. Food was delicious and a group of eight from various parts of the world, got on well for the night.

Second day, and another Viator trip, which was supposed to be a half day trip leaving at 12 from the hotel to ZhuJiaJiau water village, a silk factory, buffet dinner and ending with a river trip down the Huangpo river after dark. I had a call from the tour guide the night before to say that I would be picked up at 10.30 instead of 12 o'clock, the reason it turned out was that the traffic out of Shanghai was horrendous and it took an extra hour to get to ZhuJiaJiau, only to find that the "quiet traditional chinese village" was absolutely packed, as it's a favourite destination for the chinese during holidays. The river trip down the Bund after dark was definitely worth doing though. Just parked myself on the rail with camera and photographed the skyline on both sides of the river.

Have to say that the hotel was excellent, the room immaculately clean and compared with the place I stayed in New York for the same price, like a palace. The only downside was the location in relation to the metro, particularly when Nanjing Road Closed in the evening, when taxi was required to get most places.

Would I go again? Maybe not in a hurry and certainly not in a holiday period. As I said, the place was organised chaos, fun for a short time, but being constantly shouted at by police and fighting crowds got a bit tiring.

mrjay Oct 7, 2017 12:11 pm

Glad to hear that you enjoyed the Untour and your first experience in China.
FWIW the Peoples' Square metro stop is challenging even on the best days.

Richym99 Oct 8, 2017 10:29 pm

Thanks. I enjoyed it, but it did have significant challdnges as well. One thing i did find frutrating was the lack of access to website apps and functions that we use every day, such a google, instagram and WhatsApp, The hotel wifi blocked most social media, so the only access was data roaming via China Mobile, and that wasn't always reliable.

The guide on the food tour went as far as to say that from next Febrary net access will be even more difficult with vpn's banned and access to a lot of sites only available if you can prove they are required for work purposes. Don't know how accurate and true that is, maybe somebody can confirm.

tentseller Oct 9, 2017 7:52 am


Originally Posted by Richym99 (Post 28909542)
Thanks. I enjoyed it, but it did have significant challdnges as well. One thing i did find frutrating was the lack of access to website apps and functions that we use every day, such a google, instagram and WhatsApp, The hotel wifi blocked most social media, so the only access was data roaming via China Mobile, and that wasn't always reliable.

The guide on the food tour went as far as to say that from next Febrary net access will be even more difficult with vpn's banned and access to a lot of sites only available if you can prove they are required for work purposes. Don't know how accurate and true that is, maybe somebody can confirm.

What you are experiencing is the propensity of Chinese to build Great Walls, in this case, the Great Fire Wall of China. Internet traffic are filtered (censored?). To make this process easier, many sites with unacceptable content are filtered outright.

The way around this is VPN, but there are reports of resellers being arrested and shut down since this is an illegal activity.
To us VPN one need to be a few steps ahead of the game as a VPN you used last week might not be active anymore.

I have a HK based China Mobile service just for Internet communications during my China visits.

Richym99 Oct 11, 2017 7:30 am


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 28910738)
What you are experiencing is the propensity of Chinese to build Great Walls, in this case, the Great Fire Wall of China. Internet traffic are filtered (censored?). To make this process easier, many sites with unacceptable content are filtered outright.

The way around this is VPN, but there are reports of resellers being arrested and shut down since this is an illegal activity.
To us VPN one need to be a few steps ahead of the game as a VPN you used last week might not be active anymore.

I have a HK based China Mobile service just for Internet communications during my China visits.

I came across another great wall as well, of Umbrellas. :-)

Trying to walk towards People's Square in the rain up Nanjing Road, with 100,000 umbrella wielding chinese walking the other way towards the Bund.

Lucky to get out with both eyes intact.

JordanWalker Jan 10, 2018 10:59 pm


Originally Posted by Hoyaheel (Post 28735374)
We have no Chinese language skills but still managed to do things like find the 3 story eyeglass mall and order 5 pairs of glasses:D

What was the turn around time for these glasses? Is it common to do blue-light coating in China/Shanghai?

JordanWalker Jan 10, 2018 11:05 pm


Originally Posted by Richym99 (Post 28903518)
Second day, and another Viator trip, which was supposed to be a half day trip leaving at 12 from the hotel to ZhuJiaJiau water village, a silk factory, buffet dinner and ending with a river trip down the Huangpo river after dark. I had a call from the tour guide the night before to say that I would be picked up at 10.30 instead of 12 o'clock, the reason it turned out was that the traffic out of Shanghai was horrendous and it took an extra hour to get to ZhuJiaJiau, only to find that the "quiet traditional chinese village" was absolutely packed, as it's a favourite destination for the chinese during holidays..

Anyone know if this will be a problem the week / few days BEFORE chinese new year?


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