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tentseller Dec 27, 2016 10:12 am


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 27665513)
I'm not objecting to enforcing the rules. I'm objecting to the much greater digging they did this time than ever before, and declaring a flight-legal Letherman tool as a "small knife". Fortunately, we have relatives over there to mail it back to so I only lost it until our next trip. TSA has examined the very thing and declared it acceptable.

Chinese rules are no tools of any kind. This applied to HKG as well.
TSA has no jurisdiction in China.

moondog Dec 27, 2016 10:21 am


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 27667296)
Chinese rules are no tools of any kind. This applied to HKG as well.
TSA has no jurisdiction in China.

...and, thank goodness :D

anacapamalibu Dec 27, 2016 11:24 pm

They claim they have some ltd jurisdiction outside US mainly involving nonstop flights.

TSA Jurisdiction
Transportation systems inside, and connecting to the United States of America.

eigenvector Dec 29, 2016 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 27665513)
I'm not objecting to enforcing the rules. I'm objecting to the much greater digging they did this time than ever before, and declaring a flight-legal Letherman tool as a "small knife". Fortunately, we have relatives over there to mail it back to so I only lost it until our next trip. TSA has examined the very thing and declared it acceptable.

Flight legal according to who? Not the Chinese government.

jiejie Dec 30, 2016 8:04 am

For flights to the USA, TSA sets the minimum security regulations they expect to be followed. The originating country's government may set their own stricter regulations beyond that. That is exactly what China does. The Chinese wouldn't allow that Leatherman tool (or Swiss Army knife, etc.) through regular security checkpoint for ANY flight domestic or international, regardless of what the TSA thinks.

Loren Pechtel Dec 30, 2016 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 27680467)
For flights to the USA, TSA sets the minimum security regulations they expect to be followed. The originating country's government may set their own stricter regulations beyond that. That is exactly what China does. The Chinese wouldn't allow that Leatherman tool (or Swiss Army knife, etc.) through regular security checkpoint for ANY flight domestic or international, regardless of what the TSA thinks.

They called it a "small knife", though--it's not a knife!

If they had called it a "tool" I would have understood.

Ausriver Dec 30, 2016 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 27681893)
They called it a "small knife", though--it's not a knife!

If they had called it a "tool" I would have understood.

Maybe they've afraid some one who know Kung Fu can easily use this as a knife.

woodway Jan 4, 2017 7:49 am

It's China security. What's OK today probably won't be OK tomorrow. With no explanation...

jiejie Jan 4, 2017 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by woodway (Post 27702800)
It's China security. What's OK today probably won't be OK tomorrow. With no explanation...

Really? I have found Chinese security remarkably consistent over the years with respect to tools, knives, liquids, alcohol-based (flammable) products, lighters and matches, etc. And consistent from airport to airport across the entire country, with Xinjiang airports having some additional aspects to their security process. The newish limitations on lithium batteries and power pack/charger labelling are the only major development I can think of that might have had a rather confused transition period during the implementation.

I find it much more difficult to find any consistency with the US' TSA from airport to airport (heck even at different security checkpoints in the same airport!)

Ausriver Jan 4, 2017 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 27704311)
Really? I have found Chinese security remarkably consistent over the years with respect to tools, knives, liquids, alcohol-based (flammable) products, lighters and matches, etc. And consistent from airport to airport across the entire country, with Xinjiang airports having some additional aspects to their security process. The newish limitations on lithium batteries and power pack/charger labelling are the only major development I can think of that might have had a rather confused transition period during the implementation.

I find it much more difficult to find any consistency with the US' TSA from airport to airport (heck even at different security checkpoints in the same airport!)

Yes. Chinese security could be the most consistent government officials in the country. And whoever watching the X Ray machine is really well trained, they could even spot out a small box of match.

Loren Pechtel Jan 4, 2017 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by Ausriver (Post 27705180)
Yes. Chinese security could be the most consistent government officials in the country. And whoever watching the X Ray machine is really well trained, they could even spot out a small box of match.

Yeah, I've always been impressed with the competence of the security people. I just felt they were going nuts this time.

Ausriver Jan 4, 2017 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 27706673)
Yeah, I've always been impressed with the competence of the security people. I just felt they were going nuts this time.




Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 27554017)
Laptop bag--they unpacked every bit of electronics in it. Nobody's ever done that before.

They also pulled my camera bag out of the bag it was in and ran both through separately, again something nobody has done before.

I would say they were poking around in at least 1 in 3 bags.

Maybe they saw something on X Ray and was looking for it?

Or maybe that day, some government authorities coming into town to check up, so they need to follow all procedures.

mcjava Feb 27, 2017 8:43 am


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 27575883)
Security at airports in China is a pain in the butt. I've said before that the further north you go the worse it gets but I got chastised on here for offending the northerners. All I will say is PVG is still miles better than any other airport on the mainland. It is the only airport where I don't "beep" when going through the metal detector. PEK is the pits.

Had to laugh at your beep comment.

I think what you really mean is that everywhere else, even when it doesn't beep, you get the full wand treatment?

Recently at PVG I experienced for the first time not getting the full wand treatment when it didn't beep. They made me remove my belt and I was upset as I normally could be buck naked and still get the wand, but when it didn't beep they waved me through.

98% of the time, though, I ask them why they have the metal detector when they wand me even though no beep.

Or I see a female who is not wanted, and ask why they wanded me but not her and they say "oh, you are male".

cxfan1960 Feb 27, 2017 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by mcjava (Post 27964760)
Recently at PVG I experienced for the first time not getting the full wand treatment when it didn't beep. They made me remove my belt and I was upset as I normally could be buck naked and still get the wand, but when it didn't beep they waved me through.

That is something they do recently - asking passengers to remove belt. I did it last time and there was no beep. They waved me through too.

When I have my belt on, it always beeps. Once the security check the belt, perhaps to see if there is any hidden objects :confused::confused::confused:

I am used to removing belts (and even shoes). I always have to do that in US airports when I don't have TSAPre. After a few flights in the US, you will get used to that and will not be upset anymore.;););)

mcjava Feb 27, 2017 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by cxfan1960 (Post 27966776)
That is something they do recently - asking passengers to remove belt. I did it last time and there was no beep. They waved me through too.

When I have my belt on, it always beeps. Once the security check the belt, perhaps to see if there is any hidden objects :confused::confused::confused:

I am used to removing belts (and even shoes). I always have to do that in US airports when I don't have TSAPre. After a few flights in the US, you will get used to that and will not be upset anymore.;););)

I am totally used to taking off my belt, it is just that no matter how close to buck naked I am, no matter whether I get a beep or not, they wand me.

Of the 20 times I did not get a beep, only this one time did they NOT wand me.

Also had to take out coins (US, Euros, Yen) from my briefcase for the first time in 8 years yesterday.


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