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sniles Apr 18, 2018 2:31 am


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 29654544)
Unfortunately on exiting the country I can't use the machines because my name has an ' in it and boarding passes don't show those. If your name in the passport isn't exactly the same as it is on the boarding pass they machine won't accept you. This isn't a problem for Chinese names but I gather it's a problem for many foreigners with apostrophes, Jr., Sr. III, etc in their names. Hopefully they will fix this. As an aside, I can use the exit machines at the land border crossings in Shenzhen as there is obviously no ticket to match names with.

The same applies for middle names, ticket needs to match passport exactly including middle names to use the e-channel to exit.
Not an issue if using e-channel to enter.

moondog Apr 18, 2018 9:34 am


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 29654701)
The same applies for middle names, ticket needs to match passport exactly including middle names to use the e-channel to exit.
Not an issue if using e-channel to enter.

Many thanks for this. In fact, my passport name is FIRST MIDDLE LAST, while my ctrip profile name is LAST/FIRST MI. I will fix this to LAST/FIRST MIDDLE, and report back wrt exits.

dickie98 Apr 24, 2018 3:47 am

My name is too many characters to use for exit (by 2 characters) so I have not been able to use the e-gate in Shanghai. I've spoken with the airline (MU mostly) and the agents at the e-gate and they both say there is nothing to be done. I am pretty sure there is a specific format used by all airlines because my boarding passes with JAL. CX, UA, AA, etc. all format my name the same way, with two characters cut-off so its pretty unlikely that side of the process will change. It's also unlikely the government will relax the requirements to base e-channel usage on passport only with no need to match the full name. Basically this is me whining about something I cannot change.

It's kind of a pain but sometimes if you go to the e-gate and get rejected, the agent will direct you to jump the queue at the manned checkpoint. I suppose I will have to try to exclude my middle name upon renewal of my passport, if that is allowable. .

The e-gate worked for me on exit once in PEK, but it was probably manual over-ride by the agent.

sniles Apr 30, 2018 6:08 pm

I arrived at PVG T2 yesterday and since the new fingerprint scanning procedures were introduced April 28th, I'm no longer able to use e-channel for entry. I was told by an officer that foreigners registered to use the e-channel will need to complete the fingerprint procedures at level 2 followed by manned passport control a total of 3 entries before being able to use e-channel again.

moondog Apr 30, 2018 8:08 pm


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 29700973)
I arrived at PVG T2 yesterday and since the new fingerprint scanning procedures were introduced April 28th, I'm no longer able to use e-channel for entry. I was told by an officer that foreigners registered to use the e-channel will need to complete the fingerprint procedures at level 2 followed by manned passport control a total of 3 entries before being able to use e-channel again.

They already have our fingerprints...plus blood tests, chest x-rays, and ultrasounds.

travelinmanS May 2, 2018 3:14 am


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 29700973)
I arrived at PVG T2 yesterday and since the new fingerprint scanning procedures were introduced April 28th, I'm no longer able to use e-channel for entry. I was told by an officer that foreigners registered to use the e-channel will need to complete the fingerprint procedures at level 2 followed by manned passport control a total of 3 entries before being able to use e-channel again.

As mentioned in the fingerprinting thread, this is the complete opposite of my experience at PVG T2 yesterday. I asked the guy if I had to do the fingerprint scanning since I had e channel and he said to just go ahead to the e channel and I didn't need to do the fingerprinting. The e channel worked fine. It seems like they are just winging it with these rules. If they made me get the fingerprints I'd still try and use the e channel even if the guy at the fingerprint scanners tells you not to. The 3 entries thing sounds like a made up rule to me.

sniles May 2, 2018 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 29706119)
As mentioned in the fingerprinting thread, this is the complete opposite of my experience at PVG T2 yesterday. I asked the guy if I had to do the fingerprint scanning since I had e channel and he said to just go ahead to the e channel and I didn't need to do the fingerprinting. The e channel worked fine. It seems like they are just winging it with these rules. If they made me get the fingerprints I'd still try and use the e channel even if the guy at the fingerprint scanners tells you not to. The 3 entries thing sounds like a made up rule to me.

Perhaps the officers on duty when I was there were not aware of the procedures for foreigners registered for e-channel. I was stopped upstairs at the fingerprint scanning machines and told to scan despite telling them i had e-channel registration and again at the entrance to the e-channel lanes despite again telling them i was registered.

In any case will try again next time around.

onuhistorian0116 May 2, 2018 11:38 pm


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 29709514)
Perhaps the officers on duty when I was there were not aware of the procedures for foreigners registered for e-channel. I was stopped upstairs at the fingerprint scanning machines and told to scan despite telling them i had e-channel registration and again at the entrance to the e-channel lanes despite again telling them i was registered.

In any case will try again next time around.

It is so frustrating, that they never know the rules. My wife got a new passport a few months ago, and her 10 year toursist visa is in her old passport. When we flew into KMG a few days ago, the boarder guard who stamped us in, was new and being trained, and a supervisor was standing behind his shoulder. The supervisor said in Chinese that he was pretty sure that foreigners aren’t allowed to have a visa in an old passport.

Last year, I was using the eChannel, and one of the times I was in line for the eChannel at PEK, a boarder guard came over and told me it was not for foreigners. She was shocked when I was able to enter the country though the eChannel.

travelinmanS May 25, 2018 12:20 am


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 29709514)
Perhaps the officers on duty when I was there were not aware of the procedures for foreigners registered for e-channel. I was stopped upstairs at the fingerprint scanning machines and told to scan despite telling them i had e-channel registration and again at the entrance to the e-channel lanes despite again telling them i was registered.

In any case will try again next time around.

I went through PVG again today. No problem with not doing the fingerprints. I told the guy at the fingerprint entrance I had the e channel and he told me to just go downstairs. In practice, at least a PVG, it seems pretty easy to avoid the fingerprinting if you have e channel access. E channel worked fine for me again and nobody questioned me. If only I could get it to work on the way out of China...but that's a different issue.

garykung May 25, 2018 12:38 am


Originally Posted by onuhistorian0116 (Post 29709785)
It is so frustrating, that they never know the rules.

This actually have to do with how Chinese Immigration is organized. Unlike most countries, Chinese Immigration is not centralized. The personnel are mostly local employees.

Even the infrastructure is based on a single directive, the application is not. This is why each POE kind of has its own design and rules.

onuhistorian0116 May 27, 2018 4:44 am


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 29792219)
This actually have to do with how Chinese Immigration is organized. Unlike most countries, Chinese Immigration is not centralized. The personnel are mostly local employees.

Even the infrastructure is based on a single directive, the application is not. This is why each POE kind of has its own design and rules.

I realize that each province and indepent city has their own immigration rules. But, some things are national, like a valid ten your tourist visa in an exoired passport or the eChannel. If my wife went to the Exit Entry Administion and asked for her visa to be transferred, they would refuse to do it.

moondog May 27, 2018 6:36 am

A residence permit is required. Does your wife have one?

garykung May 27, 2018 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by onuhistorian0116 (Post 29798326)
I realize that each province and indepent city has their own immigration rules. But, some things are national, like a valid ten your tourist visa in an exoired passport or the eChannel. If my wife went to the Exit Entry Administion and asked for her visa to be transferred, they would refuse to do it.

Actually, the rules are the same. It is simply the difference on how they are enforced. FWIW - per my observation, as soon as your information is entered into the MPS system by any PSB, you should be able to use the eChannel regardless of the POEs in question.

But the problem is visa is at the national level and is not issued by MPS, but MFA instead, which is similar to the U.S. (State Department issues visa, but CBP controls the immigration). Of course - no PSB will take care of that for you.

Also - don't forget one of the major issue - Chinese is the official language. So when you communicate in English, PSBs have all the excuses not to understand (it is also one of the reasons why rules against foreigners are lax than Chinese).

sniles May 30, 2018 9:36 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 29655987)
Many thanks for this. In fact, my passport name is FIRST MIDDLE LAST, while my ctrip profile name is LAST/FIRST MI. I will fix this to LAST/FIRST MIDDLE, and report back wrt exits.

For my latest flight I tried combining my first and middle names on my ticket & boarding pass as one single name (LAST/FIRSTMIDDLE rather than LAST/FIRST MIDDLE), and was able to successfully use the e-channel to exit the country this time. Perhaps a workaround for those having middle names, or I just got lucky this time.

GinFizz Nov 21, 2018 1:32 am

If anyone is having problems still using the eChannel leaving China as a result of the boarding pass name check, the magic words seem to be "mingzi tai chang le" (名字太长了). This has worked for me now both at T3 (last month) and T2 (today) where the assistants seem aware of the problem and can manually override the "computer says no" message. You may need to stress also that you are registered (注册了 - zhu ce le) for the eChannel.

travelinmanS Nov 21, 2018 2:14 am

I forgot to come here and comment when I left Hongqiao last time, about 3 weeks ago. It seems they have put in some fix for the exact name match issue and I can now use the exit as well as entry. This is great news and will give me even more certainty about arriving at PVG 1:10 before all my flights now!

moondog Mar 26, 2019 11:56 pm


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 30452014)
I forgot to come here and comment when I left Hongqiao last time, about 3 weeks ago. It seems they have put in some fix for the exact name match issue and I can now use the exit as well as entry. This is great news and will give me even more certainty about arriving at PVG 1:10 before all my flights now!

I attempted to post a longish reply to this thread two minutes ago, but FT managed to lose it, so here is a short reply.

1. If you have an RP or similar, echannel is a MUST HAVE
2. I pulled off Shenzhen Bay (end to end) in under 6 minutes last week
3. Those of us with B RPs need to reapply every year
4. A RPs are valid for 3 or 5 years, but in Shanghai, you need to pay Y10k per month in taxes in order to qualify (few other cities seem to have this requirement)

UA_Flyer Mar 27, 2019 12:53 am

I am getting my Chinese work visa renewed in the same passport that I have registered for e-Channel two years ago, do I have to re-apply again or it is business as usual for me to access e-Channel?Any recent experience to share?Len

moondog Mar 27, 2019 1:38 am


Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 30934198)
I am getting my Chinese work visa renewed in the same passport that I have registered for e-Channel two years ago, do I have to re-apply again or it is business as usual for me to access e-Channel?Any recent experience to share?Len

You need to submit a new application. Hopefully, they will work out this bug within the next year.

travelinmanS Mar 27, 2019 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 30934198)
I am getting my Chinese work visa renewed in the same passport that I have registered for e-Channel two years ago, do I have to re-apply again or it is business as usual for me to access e-Channel?Any recent experience to share?Len


I renewed my residence permit last month in my same passport. You'll need to register again. I tried to register entering at PVG earlier in March and the immigration dude told me they had a new requirement (mentioned above) that you need to enter the normal way a couple times before they let you register for e channel now. I was in Shenzhen this past week and decided to try to register at Futian border crossing, the lady there processed my registration and said it would be active in one day. I entered through PVG yesterday using the e channel, so all is set for me for the next two years it seems.

moondog Mar 28, 2019 2:19 am


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 30937607)

I renewed my residence permit last month in my same passport. You'll need to register again. I tried to register entering at PVG earlier in March and the immigration dude told me they had a new requirement (mentioned above) that you need to enter the normal way a couple times before they let you register for e channel now. I was in Shenzhen this past week and decided to try to register at Futian border crossing, the lady there processed my registration and said it would be active in one day. I entered through PVG yesterday using the e channel, so all is set for me for the next two years it seems.

What is your work/residence permit grade? I showed my visa guy the supposedly official rules (e.g. number of years in China, HSK score, caliber of university), and he told me that Shanghai only cares about 10k per month in taxes; this, alone, guarantees 3 years. Since I am paid mostly from HK, this is a problem.

moondog Jan 13, 2020 4:24 am

China e channel for foreigners
 
I've mentioned echannel in the main visa thread, but I think it deserves its own thread so I'm starting this one.

Basically, echannel makes entering and exiting China insanely fast/easy, though it doesn't help with the customs line at PVG.

I'm curious about the current and future eligibility requirements.

The eligibility requirements are a little vague, and in a constant state of flux (mostly for the better because echannel saves us time, and the Chinese government money).

At present, I know that an RP with 6 months or more remaining qualifies, and that Z + Q2 visas qualify.

But, I have a lot of friends who live, but don't work, here on M visas. They don't have RPs, and need to leave every 60 or 90 days. However, they either own houses or have long term leases. I'm wondering about their prospects for echannel.

STS-134 Jan 13, 2020 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31943767)
At present, I know that an RP with 6 months or more remaining qualifies, and that Z + Q2 visas qualify.

Q2 qualifies?!? Okay how do I sign up for this? Can I do this on arrival at PEK? I doubt CGO has the facilities to process applications for foreigners.

moondog Jan 13, 2020 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by STS-134 (Post 31946333)
Q2 qualifies?!? Okay how do I sign up for this? Can I do this on arrival at PEK? I doubt CGO has the facilities to process applications for foreigners.

My understanding is that qualification is based on your residence permit, not the visa itself. I actually don't think I have a visa any more -- just an RP.

I believe you can score an RP with your Q2, but I'm honestly not sure because the rules aren't especially transparent.

My guess is that M and L visas will eventually qualify. Problem is that that the machines aren't capable of dealing with "days/stay" at this point in time.

The bottom line is that I don't know, so I started this thread in order to seek data points / discussion from you guys.

STS-134 Jan 13, 2020 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31946377)
My understanding is that qualification is based on your residence permit, not the visa itself. I actually don't think I have a visa any more -- just an RP.

I believe you can score an RP with your Q2, but I'm honestly not sure because the rules aren't especially transparent.

My understanding is that a Q1 is a single entry visa that gets converted into an RP after you arrive in China and apply. Q1 is not intended to be used except to enter China once, and the intention is that the holder will apply for an RP once there. Q2 is not intended to ever be converted into an RP and I don't even know how you would do that, nor would I want to. My Q2 is valid for 10 years. Everything I've read says that if you want an RP, you get a Q1 first, if you go the Q visa route.

moondog Jan 13, 2020 5:04 pm


Originally Posted by STS-134 (Post 31946476)
My understanding is that a Q1 is a single entry visa that gets converted into an RP after you arrive in China and apply. Q1 is not intended to be used except to enter China once, and the intention is that the holder will apply for an RP once there. Q2 is not intended to ever be converted into an RP and I don't even know how you would do that, nor would I want to. My Q2 is valid for 10 years. Everything I've read says that if you want an RP, you get a Q1 first, if you go the Q visa route.

A 5 year RP (now sort of standard) is much better than a 10 year visa IMO because, in addition to echannel, you don't need to count days and do random visa runs.

Joerch Jan 13, 2020 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31946541)
A 5 year RP (now sort of standard) is much better than a 10 year visa IMO because, in addition to echannel, you don't need to count days and do random visa runs.

If only it was true. I have A level work permit, I am married with a Chinese for 7 years, kids together, 13 years in China, and last year I got the first 2 year temporary RP. 5 year RP is still out of reach to me - I just don't know what the rules are or what I am doing wrong to get that.

Anyway, I used the echannel with (temporary) RP one year, but haven't reapplied since my kids where born, as I really seldom travel outside of China without them these days.

Colleagues with a one year M have been successful to apply, but as usual in China, it seems to depend on the location. In PVG it was no problem he said, at HK-SZ they told him not possible (2 years ago)

And I would like to add a few questions:

1) If you apply in e.g. PVG, will it work properly at HK-SZ border or PEK airport? Are there any exceptions? In the earlier days there were even problems to enter at SHA, when applied in PVG before.

2) I don't know what it is, but my (German laminated page) passport doesn't seem to work on the entry slip printers, but other countries passport holders had no problems. Is that a format issue, or are there other reasons?

3) The slip is not compulsory. How do you prove, e.g. check-in at hotels, your last entry? In some areas in China, this is still required. (I never really cared, I had enough stamps always.)

4) I made the experience, when you get a new visa, you need to reapply. Is that correct? Any other experiences?

moondog Jan 13, 2020 5:52 pm

Again, I'm speaking based on my own experience, rather than knowledge of official policy, but here are a few more thoughts:

1. I wanted a 5 year RP last year, and I didn't qualify
-cities/provinces all had their own scoring systems, and I came up a little short of A

2. This year, I received one easily because the new rule --which I believe is nationwide-- is that you get 5 years as long as you have 2 previous RPs and no criminal record
-I asked two different visa agents about this before applying, and they both gave me the same answer

3. I've yet to encounter a border checkpoint where echannel did not work

Joerch Jan 13, 2020 6:33 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31946657)
2. This year, I received one easily because the new rule --which I believe is nationwide-- is that you get 5 years as long as you have 2 previous RPs and no criminal record
-I asked two different visa agents about this before applying, and they both gave me the same answer

I have RPs since 2007, incl. same city since 2014 - and yet in Nov 2019 I only got two years. PP is valid until 2026, so that's also not it.

moondog Jan 13, 2020 7:01 pm


Originally Posted by Joerch (Post 31946790)
I have RPs since 2007, incl. same city since 2014 - and yet in Nov 2019 I only got two years. PP is valid until 2026, so that's also not it.

I suggest you find a good agent in your Chinese city when it comes time to renew, and simply state that you want 5 years. Here in Shanghai, the criminal background check is now the only difference between 1 and 5 year RPs, according to my agent.

My agent only deals with Shanghai RPs. The other agent I was considering apparently does all of China. I can provide his Wechat if you add me to Wechat. I am moondogsh

STS-134 Jan 13, 2020 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31946541)
A 5 year RP (now sort of standard) is much better than a 10 year visa IMO because, in addition to echannel, you don't need to count days and do random visa runs.

I can't see ever spending > 120 continuous days in China though. I doubt I'd even make it to the 60 day threshold without going back home at least once. Typical travel pattern is 1-2 weeks a year over there. Even staying for a full month would be a major change in travel patterns.

WFBtheV Jan 13, 2020 8:04 pm

This is maybe a little bit off topic, but where can you actually enroll in e-channel? I live in Chengdu and when I asked someone the last time I was leaving CTU I was told only Chinese passports can use the e-channel, which obviously isn't true. However, there is no need to enroll in anything for Chinese people to be able to use the e-channel, so do only certain airports have the capability to enroll foreigners?

I tried to look around a bit but I didn't want to look too lost/suspicious in an immigration area.

moondog Jan 13, 2020 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by WFBtheV (Post 31947057)
This is maybe a little bit off topic, but where can you actually enroll in e-channel? I live in Chengdu and when I asked someone the last time I was leaving CTU I was told only Chinese passports can use the e-channel, which obviously isn't true. However, there is no need to enroll in anything for Chinese people to be able to use the e-channel, so do only certain airports have the capability to enroll foreigners?

I tried to look around a bit but I didn't want to look too lost/suspicious in an immigration area.

I believe you can enroll at most ports of entry when you are arriving, but not departing. I enrolled at PVG by asking one of the officials, and filling out a simple form. I only had to do this drill one time.

STS-134 While you might not want or need to stay for more than 60/90/120 days, echannel seemingly requires an RP that is valid for 6 months or more.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I don't have much knowledge about the actual rules (just personal experience and blogs posted by people who are also unsure), and this is the reason I started this thread.

STS-134 Jan 13, 2020 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31947105)
STS-134 While you might not want or need to stay for more than 60/90/120 days, echannel seemingly requires an RP that is valid for 6 months or more.

Then that seems to contradict your initial statement that Q2 visas are eligible. AFAIK, you can't get a RP with a Q2, and even if you did, the Q2 would get canceled as soon as you got the RP.

moondog Jan 13, 2020 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by STS-134 (Post 31947118)
Then that seems to contradict your initial statement that Q2 visas are eligible. AFAIK, you can't get a RP with a Q2, and even if you did, the Q2 would get canceled as soon as you got the RP.

I don't know much about Q visas, but if only Q1 is good for this, then why not get Q1?

STS-134 Jan 13, 2020 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31947151)
I don't know much about Q visas, but if only Q1 is good for this, then why not get Q1?

1. I would effectively be stuck in China while the RP is processing, which as far as I know, takes at least 3 weeks if you're lucky, and typically as long as 6 weeks. Remember, Q1 is only good for one entry, so if I were to leave while the RP is processing, I'd have to stand in line at the consulate and get another visa.

2. It's easier for me to renew a Q2 visa once every 10 years than it is for me to renew a RP every 5 years. I'm not sure how long it actually takes to renew a RP but I suspect I may end up in the same scenario as (1). And I definitely cannot renew a RP at the consulate.

moondog Jan 13, 2020 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by STS-134 (Post 31947181)
1. I would effectively be stuck in China while the RP is processing, which as far as I know, takes at least 3 weeks if you're lucky, and typically as long as 6 weeks. Remember, Q1 is only good for one entry, so if I were to leave while the RP is processing, I'd have to stand in line at the consulate and get another visa.

2. It's easier for me to renew a Q2 visa once every 10 years than it is for me to renew a RP every 5 years. I'm not sure how long it actually takes to renew a RP but I suspect I may end up in the same scenario as (1). And I definitely cannot renew a RP at the consulate.

My guy can renew RPs in 3 days; he charges an extra Y500 for this. He bills the same surcharge to expedite new RP processing, but I found this to be meaningless because the preamble required a solid 10 days.

Joerch Jan 13, 2020 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by STS-134 (Post 31947181)
1. I would effectively be stuck in China while the RP is processing, which as far as I know, takes at least 3 weeks if you're lucky, and typically as long as 6 weeks. Remember, Q1 is only good for one entry, so if I were to leave while the RP is processing, I'd have to stand in line at the consulate and get another visa.

2. It's easier for me to renew a Q2 visa once every 10 years than it is for me to renew a RP every 5 years. I'm not sure how long it actually takes to renew a RP but I suspect I may end up in the same scenario as (1). And I definitely cannot renew a RP at the consulate.

3 weeks is only time they reserve for the first time, plus another 3 weeks in case they want to check even more. Usually give it back to you after 7 working day. 7 working day AFAIK also the standard processing time for RP extension.

Except for the first time, also express services are heard off, but not guaranteed (see moondog's replies). Mostly agents with relations can get the documents on top of the pile ...

tauphi Jan 14, 2020 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by STS-134 (Post 31947118)
Then that seems to contradict your initial statement that Q2 visas are eligible. AFAIK, you can't get a RP with a Q2, and even if you did, the Q2 would get canceled as soon as you got the RP.

You can certainly get an RP with a Q2 in Shanghai. You're right that the Q2 visa will be cancelled once you receive your RP (just like a Q1 visa would be). Q1 (and other visas like it, such as the S1) is basically a scam made up by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that they can impose some form of oversight over the Ministry of Public Security (who actually runs the border control as well as the entry-exit bureaus in China). Of course the MPS don't give a toss so they'll happily accept a Q2/S2.

STS-134 Jan 14, 2020 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by tauphi (Post 31951707)
You can certainly get an RP with a Q2 in Shanghai. You're right that the Q2 visa will be cancelled once you receive your RP (just like a Q1 visa would be). Q1 (and other visas like it, such as the S1) is basically a scam made up by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that they can impose some form of oversight over the Ministry of Public Security (who actually runs the border control as well as the entry-exit bureaus in China). Of course the MPS don't give a toss so they'll happily accept a Q2/S2.

Interesting. But isn't the Q1 canceled as soon as you enter China? Q1 is single entry only, and would be invalidated as soon as you pass through immigration.


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