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travelinmanS Mar 12, 2014 10:28 pm

Pricing Difference
 
Was researching a trip for the upcoming Qingming festival from PVG to BKK and searched using Ctrip's English site for business class seats. They offered MU flights for 5000+ taxes. Looked again on their normal (Chinese) site and the exact same flights, in business class were 3500+ taxes.

I haven't seen this before from Ctrip but if they start this BS I'll have to look for another online travel agent. Complete fraud imho. Beware to those of you using the English language site.

sniles Mar 13, 2014 2:07 am


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 22514343)
Was researching a trip for the upcoming Qingming festival from PVG to BKK and searched using Ctrip's English site for business class seats. They offered MU flights for 5000+ taxes. Looked again on their normal (Chinese) site and the exact same flights, in business class were 3500+ taxes.

I haven't seen this before from Ctrip but if they start this BS I'll have to look for another online travel agent. Complete fraud imho. Beware to those of you using the English language site.

Can't speak for flights, but occasionally hotels will show cheaper rates on the English site versus the Chinese one. Sometimes these will be for rates Ctrip books through other travel agents, and therefore they don't always go through (prepaid amount deducted from credit card and then refunded if rate no longer available), but they do work once in a while.

moondog Mar 13, 2014 10:34 am


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 22514963)
Can't speak for flights, but occasionally hotels will show cheaper rates on the English site versus the Chinese one. Sometimes these will be for rates Ctrip books through other travel agents, and therefore they don't always go through (prepaid amount deducted from credit card and then refunded if rate no longer available), but they do work once in a while.

I was just trying to book some hotels for next week on Ctrip because I've gotten good results from them during the past 6 months on this front, but ran into a mild shocker that suggests a "ream the foreigner" plan may well be in the works.

On the English site, they are now tacking a "service charge" onto hotel bookings (seems to be around 15%, but I couldn't tell for sure because they quote it in straight up RMB). And, they also wanted a credit card guarantee for a 2p arrival (very un Ctrip style).

I tried a second time on the Chinese site, and didn't encounter either of these issues, but I decided to refrain from booking out of principle.

sniles Mar 13, 2014 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 22517043)
I was just trying to book some hotels for next week on Ctrip because I've gotten good results from them during the past 6 months on this front, but ran into a mild shocker that suggests a "ream the foreigner" plan may well be in the works.

On the English site, they are now tacking a "service charge" onto hotel bookings (seems to be around 15%, but I couldn't tell for sure because they quote it in straight up RMB). And, they also wanted a credit card guarantee for a 2p arrival (very un Ctrip style).

I tried a second time on the Chinese site, and didn't encounter either of these issues, but I decided to refrain from booking out of principle.

Perhaps, though I recently booked a stay at the Wynn Macau through their English site for a bargain. Rate showed as "sold out" on Chinese site and the English site rate was significantly lower than any other online sites and booking directly through the hotel. Note that I had made two unsuccessful bookings through the English website two days prior. The two bookings completed without issue each time and amount was deducted from my CC, but Ctrip canceled booking after a few hours as they were unable to secure the rate through their external agency. Money refunded each time without any fees on my part. Its a little tedious to keep trying to make the same booking but worked the third time.

I haven't been charged any "service charge" as far as I know....

LOUDNOISES Mar 14, 2014 3:17 am


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 22514963)
Can't speak for flights, but occasionally hotels will show cheaper rates on the English site versus the Chinese one. Sometimes these will be for rates Ctrip books through other travel agents, and therefore they don't always go through (prepaid amount deducted from credit card and then refunded if rate no longer available), but they do work once in a while.

I am looking at the Holiday Inn in Qinhuangdao for one night tomorrow and the totals are the same on the English and Chinese sites. As someone mentioned before, the initial price quoted on the English site is 15% less than the Chinese, but when trying to book it, there is a 15% tax and service fee added on.

I am guessing this is for some sort of cultural reasons? :confused:

nexus30 Mar 14, 2014 3:15 pm

The Chinese site also offers cash back if you link a Chinese bank account for some hotels, this money goes directly into your bank account from what I understand. However, the English one offers ctrip "credits", which I really haven't found a use for yet.

moondog Mar 14, 2014 9:58 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 22517043)
I was just trying to book some hotels for next week on Ctrip because I've gotten good results from them during the past 6 months on this front, but ran into a mild shocker that suggests a "ream the foreigner" plan may well be in the works.

On the English site, they are now tacking a "service charge" onto hotel bookings (seems to be around 15%, but I couldn't tell for sure because they quote it in straight up RMB). And, they also wanted a credit card guarantee for a 2p arrival (very un Ctrip style).

I tried a second time on the Chinese site, and didn't encounter either of these issues, but I decided to refrain from booking out of principle.

I ended up going with Agoda in order to book the exact same hotel that Ctrip was offering because I like Agoda.

I prepaid for the room (with Agoda), but when I showed up at the hotel, the check-in person had no clue who Agoda was, and was perplexed by the "English" description of my reserved room (I paid for a suite, but they had already sold all of them).

In the end, it was up to me to sort things out with Agoda, which I have done. I was very angry at them because their China number showed up as "out of service" when we tried to call it 10 times during my 40 minute check-in process, but when I finally reached them via their New York number on my own, they demonstrated to me that they actually do care (i.e. going to battle against Ctrip is BIG deal for them... mistakes are bound to happen).

jiejie Mar 15, 2014 1:27 am

I like elong for China hotels, much more so than ctrip and definitely more than Agoda. Sinohotel, one of my previous favorites, was swallowed by elong a year or so ago and I wasn't fond of having 2 favorites reduce down to 1. Agoda's been descending into too many customer service problems reported the last 3 years; I've abandoned them except in selected situations for all Asia not just China.

Taiwaned Mar 15, 2014 4:17 pm

I was shocked today when I went to price out some tickets.

Due to this thread, I tried both the English and Chinese site.

Same dates, same flights - 700 RMB difference per ticket. English been more expensive.

Chinese - 1785 RMB
English - 2485 RMB

If it was 20-30 RMB difference, I wouldn't care but that is ridiculous. Hundred bucks USD more for service in English? I don't think so.

sniles Mar 15, 2014 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by Taiwaned (Post 22530580)
Same dates, same flights - 700 RMB difference per ticket. English been more expensive.

Chinese - 1785 RMB
English - 2485 RMB

Is the 1785 including tax & fuel charges? For flights it looks like the Chinese website doesn't include these fees in the price until the payment page, while the English one shows it right from the flight options page.

BuildingMyBento Mar 15, 2014 7:00 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 22527474)
I like elong for China hotels, much more so than ctrip and definitely more than Agoda. Sinohotel, one of my previous favorites, was swallowed by elong a year or so ago and I wasn't fond of having 2 favorites reduce down to 1. Agoda's been descending into too many customer service problems reported the last 3 years; I've abandoned them except in selected situations for all Asia not just China.

Solely regarding mainland hotels, why do you prefer elong over agoda?

jiejie Mar 15, 2014 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 22531130)
Solely regarding mainland hotels, why do you prefer elong over agoda?

Reasons, in order:
1) Can book without prepayment required (unlike Agoda). Sometimes need a credit card guarantee but cancellable up to a reasonable time period.
2) Good selection of hotels including a database of more Chinese hotels and motel/hostel places than Agoda database. I tend to be a little more downmarket than the average FT'er.
3) Problems in real-time are dealt with promptly over phone. An example is showing up at a hotel only to find problems making staying there untenable; calling in resulted in instant cancellation, no penalty, no questions asked. Alternate suggestions for substitutes provided in real-time along with instant rebooking.
4) Never showed up and had any booking via elong "lost" or "not received."
5) Often elong all-in prices are better when same facility, same room types area available for head-to-head comparison. And often elong will show availability when Agoda and other booking engines show unavailable.

moondog Apr 13, 2014 11:50 pm

I just booked a flight using Ctrip's mobile app for the first time, and was shocked to discover just how bad it is:

-needed to enter the same information (e.g. name, phone number, bday) in three different places
-"select traveler" function repeatedly times out
-August and September are not acceptable credit card expiration months; I ended up going with October... and expect a phone call from them shortly (because my card expires in September)

I am going to uninstall it as soon as this ticket thing is settled. On a semi-related note, I bought a ticket for the same flight on their website last night, but received an email from them this morning advising me that it was sold out. (This isn't really a ctrip specific thing though; I've experienced the same on Elong/Travelzen.)

drzoidberg Apr 27, 2014 1:43 am

First time ctrip user here; I happened to stumble across their webpage and was impressed/wary of their too good to be true pricing.

Are they safe to use? They quoted a price of 1800 RMB for a 3-person suite at the Sheraton Xi'an which seems incredible.

moondog Apr 27, 2014 4:22 am


Originally Posted by drzoidberg (Post 22767876)
First time ctrip user here; I happened to stumble across their webpage and was impressed/wary of their too good to be true pricing.

Are they safe to use? They quoted a price of 1800 RMB for a 3-person suite at the Sheraton Xi'an which seems incredible.

In spite of the fact that I often spar with ctrip they are one of the largest travel agencies in the world.

JPDM Apr 27, 2014 4:29 am


Originally Posted by drzoidberg (Post 22767876)
First time ctrip user here; I happened to stumble across their webpage and was impressed/wary of their too good to be true pricing.

Are they safe to use? They quoted a price of 1800 RMB for a 3-person suite at the Sheraton Xi'an which seems incredible.

They are the largest online travel agent in China which means one of the largest in the world. Mind you, if you use the other two, elong.net or travelzen.com, the pricing will be the same most of the time.

drzoidberg Apr 27, 2014 7:25 am

Thanks for the reassurances, moondog and JPDM!


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