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moondog Aug 19, 2013 1:02 pm

duck sauce
 
Now that I am forced to eat bad Chinese food almost all the time (western food in Nanning is dreadful, and I can't do McDs 3x per day), I've come to the conclusion that duck sauce (common on the US east coast... strangely, it never caught on in the west) would vastly improve my quality of life. Please bring some to me (I'm in Nanning, which is a place you will likely never visit, but I'm still based in Shanghai, so that works too).

Many thanks!

TOMFORD Aug 19, 2013 2:53 pm

I was about to say, I was there three months ago. But I was thinking of Nanjing. Never been to Nanning, otherwise I'd help ya out bud.

tentseller Aug 19, 2013 4:05 pm

For NN you can get plum sauce for duck from HK. The east coast US duck sauce is used to dip Cantonese roast duck as well so maybe try GZ.

moondog Aug 19, 2013 7:04 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 21300572)
For NN you can get plum sauce for duck from HK. The east coast US duck sauce is used to dip Cantonese roast duck as well so maybe try GZ.

I'm looking for the light brown stuff that is common in Boston, NY, and DC. It would bring lots of life to the fried rice that I often eat here to the extent that I bet even the locals would like it. I'd be happy to pay for an entire box... I'm guessing $25, but I'm prepared to go higher.

Jiatong Aug 19, 2013 9:11 pm

sauce
 
How about turkey gravy in a can. Or A-1 steak sauce ?.

I might be in SH the end of next week, 'IF' the weather cools down, BJ has decent weather this week, just the normal haze !.

Bear4Asian Aug 19, 2013 9:48 pm

I'll be coming SEA/PVG in mid-October. Happy to bring some if you still need it by then.

Let me know brand preference.

moondog Aug 20, 2013 5:31 am


Originally Posted by Bear4Asian (Post 21302168)
I'll be coming SEA/PVG in mid-October. Happy to bring some if you still need it by then.

Let me know brand preference.

They don't have that stuff on the west coast for some strange reason. I suppose it's even stranger that you can't get it in China, though... the only thing I have here to jazz up my fried rice is vinegar based hot sauce.

In any event, if all goes as planned, I will be back in Shanghai by the end of September, where I can eat great food every day (i.e. there is no need to overcome blandness with condiments).

rkkwan Aug 22, 2013 12:35 am

Don't you need some fortune cookies to go with it?:p

uanj Aug 22, 2013 4:18 am

Have you ever tried Old Bay seasoning? It does wonders for mediocre fried rice.

moondog Aug 22, 2013 4:28 am


Originally Posted by uanj (Post 21315659)
Have you ever tried Old Bay seasoning? It does wonders for mediocre fried rice.

Thanks for the tip. I'll keep my eyes peeled next time I visit our overpriced grocery store. There's also a VN restaurant near me, and the owner brings in Rooster Sauce (Siracha is the official name I think ) from HK, which I love (best food I've had in Nanning as well), but I can't eat every meal there.

Bear4Asian Aug 22, 2013 8:19 pm

Is this the duck sauce you're looking for?

Definition: Duck sauce is another name for Plum Sauce. The name "duck sauce" comes from the fact that Western Chinese restaurants began serving it with the pancakes that go with Peking Duck, under the mistaken impression that this was an authentic practice. (In China, Peking Duck is traditionally served with hoisin sauce). But whatever name it goes by, plum sauce makes an excellent dipping sauce for appetizers, such as Egg Rolls and Spring Rolls.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_sauce

If so, I'm sure it's available on the West coast, maybe even in China.

moondog Aug 22, 2013 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by Bear4Asian (Post 21320482)
Is this the duck sauce you're looking for?

Definition: Duck sauce is another name for Plum Sauce. The name "duck sauce" comes from the fact that Western Chinese restaurants began serving it with the pancakes that go with Peking Duck, under the mistaken impression that this was an authentic practice. (In China, Peking Duck is traditionally served with hoisin sauce). But whatever name it goes by, plum sauce makes an excellent dipping sauce for appetizers, such as Egg Rolls and Spring Rolls.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_sauce

If so, I'm sure it's available on the West coast, maybe even in China.

I lived on the West Coast for 10 years (SoCal, NorCal, and Oregon); never once did I spot the East Coast variety, which I would not describe as plum sauce (it's lighter in color, and has less of a fruity taste).

benzemalyonnais Aug 23, 2013 12:20 pm

If you know of some brand names, it's probably somewhere on Taobao

drewguy Aug 23, 2013 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by benzemalyonnais (Post 21324063)
If you know of some brand names, it's probably somewhere on Taobao

I'm not sure I'd trust any faux Chinese food product on Taobao. It's liable to contain gutter fruit or something.

Here's the supplier of the stuff I usually see on the east coast:

http://www.kariout.com/

In addition to the familiar packets, it also comes in 1- and 5-gallon tubs.

tkflyer Aug 27, 2013 1:48 pm

how much do you need? in Shanghai 5-9 @ hilton

rdchen Aug 27, 2013 2:09 pm

You can dilute the Hoisin sauce (海鲜酱) w/warm water.

moondog Aug 27, 2013 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by tkflyer (Post 21345595)
how much do you need? in Shanghai 5-9 @ hilton

I was originally thinking that I wanted A LOT of the stuff, but I have scaled back my consumption of fried rice here a great deal in recent weeks because one of my chef friends scared me when he explained to me that 95% of the Chinese restaurants in Nanning use 地沟油 (borderline toxic recycled oil). Apparently, this is common knowledge.

However, if you could grab me a nice handful between now and your trip, I would be most happy. Since I don't believe duck sauce is very expensive, I'm thinking adding an extra $3 to the tip would be sufficient, which I'd figure out a way to cover. I won't be in Shanghai then, but I could arrange to have one of friends stop by the Hilton. A lot of them are coming down here for the ASEAN Expo later that week. Many thanks!

tentseller Aug 27, 2013 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by rdchen (Post 21345725)
You can dilute the Hoisin sauce (海鲜酱) w/warm water.

Peking duck dipping sauce is sweet bean sauce 甜麵醬 base thinned out with water plus others.

The duck sauce mention by Moondog is plum suace thinned out with water and additives.

tentseller Aug 27, 2013 4:05 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 21345862)
I was originally thinking that I wanted A LOT of the stuff, but I have scaled back my consumption of fried rice here a great deal in recent weeks because one of my chef friends scared me when he explained to me that 95% of the Chinese restaurants in Nanning use 地沟油 (borderline toxic recycled oil). Apparently, this is common knowledge.
...

Would you like some Canola oil from the good olde US of A?

Anyways, I sourced out the plum base packet duck sauce. The packaging service buys plum sauce in barrels, add water, cooking rice wine and then pack them. The could give me the exact proportion but they will have to kill me.
Give it a try since you are now a "Southerner" 南方人

moondog Aug 27, 2013 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 21346467)
Would you like some Canola oil from the good olde US of A?

It's funny that you mention that because I recently picked up several different types of oil from the Ole in the Mixc that I am planning on bringing to my local haunts for them to use when they prepare my food. The oil was expensive, but I want to give it a try because I'm really scared of 地沟油, and I can't do McD's 2x per day.

tentseller Aug 27, 2013 8:59 pm

Grapeseed and peanut oils are recommended if you are careful about the oil in your diet in Chinese cooking. They have higher flashpoint for high "wokkee" stirfry in the South

You need to have enough trust with them not to keep the oil for their own children's consumption.
I have heard of border officials who haven't bough any formula for their babies.

moondog Aug 27, 2013 9:59 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 21347851)
Grapeseed and peanut oils are recommended if you are careful about the oil in your diet in Chinese cooking.

I'm going to try olive oil on my 串 this evening. While I understand that olive oil is not well suited for high temperature cooking, I figure it's never been done before... I will be a pioneer and report back!

drewguy Aug 28, 2013 11:50 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 21345862)
95% of the Chinese restaurants in Nanning use 地沟油 (borderline toxic recycled oil). Apparently, this is common knowledge.

Is that gutter oil, or a grade above?

moondog Aug 28, 2013 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by drewguy (Post 21351357)
Is that gutter oil, or a grade above?

地沟 does, in fact, translate to gutter, but it's even worse than your imagery could possibly make it out to be. My chef friend claims to have witnessed the oil people extracting the excess (already recycled) oil from restaurant trash bins in the wee hours of the morning and mixing it with the rest of their stock, which they deliver in large vats several hours later. This practice seems to be commonplace throughout China, but in Shanghai, I have numerous higher priced options at my disposal. While I suppose it's nice that my daily spend in NN is very low, my stomach doesn't care for this city so much.

I might actually have to start cooking my own food! (Unheard of in Shanghai.)

tentseller Aug 28, 2013 3:43 pm

Gutter oil is really gutter oil.

At nigh in areas with heavy concentration of restaurants there would be oil in the waste water. oil floats to the top so the gutter oil merchants will scoop up the top layer of oil from the sewers, boil them and filter out sediments and resell as cheaper oil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozCN8WPeH6g
Video form HK TV documentary, video should explain what is happening

alphaod Sep 4, 2013 7:50 am

As a Chinese person, I've only tried the duck sauce once and I can't really imagine anyone really liking that for everything.

That said you can buy in the supermarket here.

tentseller Sep 4, 2013 8:25 am


Originally Posted by alphaod (Post 21386903)
As a Chinese person, I've only tried the duck sauce once and I can't really imagine anyone really liking that for everything.

That said you can buy in the supermarket here.

A similar version is widely used as a dipping sauce for Cantonese roast duck /goose in southern China, Hong Kong and authentic Cantonese restaurant in North America.

But my son, when he was young would only eat Yang Chow fried rice when it is soaking in the sweet and sour pork sauce. :rolleyes:

tkflyer Sep 5, 2013 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 21345862)
I was originally thinking that I wanted A LOT of the stuff, but I have scaled back my consumption of fried rice here a great deal in recent weeks because one of my chef friends scared me when he explained to me that 95% of the Chinese restaurants in Nanning use 地沟油 (borderline toxic recycled oil). Apparently, this is common knowledge.

However, if you could grab me a nice handful between now and your trip, I would be most happy. Since I don't believe duck sauce is very expensive, I'm thinking adding an extra $3 to the tip would be sufficient, which I'd figure out a way to cover. I won't be in Shanghai then, but I could arrange to have one of friends stop by the Hilton. A lot of them are coming down here for the ASEAN Expo later that week. Many thanks!

Got sauce !

PM friends name and I'll leave at concierge desk.

You can buy me a beer next time I'm in town.


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