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Beijing-Guangzhou HSR line open

Old Dec 26, 12, 5:21 am
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Beijing-Guangzhou HSR line open

2300 km in 8 hrs.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/ch..._132063630.htm

Meanwhile Ca is working on the HSR 200 km Bakersfield to Madera

Give it up Jerry..its a pipe dream.
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Old Dec 26, 12, 7:50 am
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The true distance is subject to some disagreements.

Some salient points on the schedule:

Beijing-Shenzhen: 1 train daily. G71 takes 10:05 (8:00 to 18:05), the return G72 is 10:25 (7:56 to 18:21). The price is RMB 940 in second class, RMB 1483 in first class.
Beijing-Guangzhou: 3 trains daily. Starting with G71 (in Guangzhou 17:26), the fastest is the express G79 (trip time 7:59 from 10:00 to 17:59), with 4 stops (Shijiazhuang, Zhengzhou, Wuhan, Changsha), last is G81 (13:05 to 22:22). Price RMB 865/1383.
Beijing-Changsha: 7 G trains daily. Fastest G79 (5:38), total 2 expresses (the other, G83, is 9:00 to 14:40) and 3 milk runs terminating at Changsha (G501 to G505 taking 6:42 to 6:51). Price RMB 651 second class, RMB 1040 first class - but unlike Guangzhou trains, a VIP seat is offered at RMB 1237.
Beijing-Wuhan: seem to be 13 G trains. But what is G801, that seems to have zero headway with G83? The expresses take 4:17, milk trains 5:05 to 5:40. Wuhan terminating G trains are named G5xx, like the ones to Changsha.
Price RMB 522 in second class, RMB 834 in first class, RMB 992 in VIP seat where offered.
Also 4 D trains Beijing-Wuhan. D2031 covers the distance in 7:25, making 17 intermediate stops. Price RMB 381 in second class, RMB 608 in first class. The other 3 D trains, D121 to D125 take 10:07 to 10:13 and also make only 7 to 9 stops, but are cheaper, RMB 267 in second class and RMB 333 in first class.
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Old Dec 26, 12, 12:50 pm
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10h one-way... in other words, pretty much the time it takes to get to PEK, check-in, wait for the inevitable congestion delay, fly to CAN, taxi to terminal and get into town?
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Old Dec 26, 12, 1:03 pm
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Beijing-Xian: 8 trains daily. 1 express G87 with a single stop at Zhengzhou (skipping even Shijiazhuang) takes 4:40, 14:00 to 18:40. The 7 milk trains, numbered G651 to G667, make 6 to 10 stops, travel time 5:27 to 5:58, leave 7:05 to 17:38 and arrive 12:48 to 23:05. Second class RMB 517, first class RMB 826, VIP seat RMB 983.
Beijing-Zhengzhou: 29 G trains daily. 1 nonstop (G87) to Xian covers the distance in 2:24, 4 single stop (Shijiazhuang) trains, G79, G83, G85 and G89 take between 2:30 and 2:34 and arrive 11:30 to 16:00. The 24 milk runs make 3 to 6 stops, take between 2:58 and 3:27. Second class RMB 310, first class RMB 496, VIP seat where offered RMB 596.
Also 2 D trains daily - D2031 and D2021 make 10 and 11 stops respectively, take 4:44 and 4:58, and cost RMB 215 second class, RMB 343 in second class.
Beijing-Shijiazhuang: 48 G trains daily. 5 nonstops - the 4 expresses to Zhengzhou and also G91 to Taiyuan, take 1:07 for 281 km. The milk runs make 1 to 3 stops and take 1:19 to 1:33, leaving 7:00 to 22:03 and arriving 8:19 to 23:22. Price second class RMB 129, first class RMB 207, VIP seat RMB 246 where offered.
Also 5 D trains daily: besides D2021 and D2031 to Zhengzhou and beyond, also D2001 to 2005. These make 2 to 5 intermediate stops and take 1:54 to 2:38. Price RMB 87 in second class, RMB 139 in first class.
Beijing-Taiyuan: 9 G trains daily. 1 express, G91, makes single stop in Shijiazhuang, and takes 2:30. The milk trains, numbered G601 to G615, make 3 or 4 stops, take 2:45 or 2:53 and arrive from 10:20 to 23:13. Price second class RMB 195, first class RMB 286, VIP seat where offered RMB 365.
Also 3 D trains, D2001 to D2005, make 4 to 6 stops, take 3:23 to 3:26 and arrive 10:33 to 18:45. Price second class RMB 153, first class RMB 218.
Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan: 13 G trains daily. The nonstop, G91, takes 1:20. The others make single stop and take 1:22 to 1:25. Price second class RMB 66, first class RMB 79, VIP seat where offered RMB 119.
Also 5 D trains, the range D2001 to D2005 and also Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan trains D2007 and D2009. The 2 nonstops (D2003 and D2009) take 1:17, the others 1:22 or 1:23, with the single stop in Yangquan North. Price also second class RMB 66, first class RMB 79
Taiyuan-Zhengzhou: 4 G trains daily - G62x and G63x ranges. These make 3 or 5 stops and take 3:24 to 3:45. Price second class RMB 256 and first class RMB 382.
Taiyuan-Wuhan: 3 G trains daily, making 7 to 10 stops and taking 5:34 to 6:12. Price second class RMB 482, first class RMB 744.
Taiyuan-Changsha: 1 G train G624 daily, making 10 stops and taking 7:12 from 10:46 to 17:58. Price second class RMB 618, first class RMB 961.
Taiyuan-Guangzhou: the 1 G train G624, making 14 stops and taking 10:02 from 10:46 to 20:48. Price RMB 854 second class, RMB 1338 first class.

Are the 4:17 times Beijing-Wuhan or 4:40 Beijing-Xian competitive against flying?

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Old Dec 26, 12, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack View Post
Are the 4:17 times Beijing-Wuhan or 4:40 Beijing-Xian competitive against flying?
Depends on where in Beijing you are coming from. 4:17 seems pretty good for PEK-WUH to me.
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Shijiazhuang development might just explode after this huge improvement in traffic connections? Wuhan maybe even more?

Some cities on the Jinghu line, Xuzhou comes to mind, have been completely transformed since HSR operations began. Actually a shame that Anglo-Saxon conservatives are so fundamentally anti-railways and not ready to budge...
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Old Dec 26, 12, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Santander View Post
Depends on where in Beijing you are coming from. 4:17 seems pretty good for PEK-WUH to me.
Then Changsha is also just 5:38 away.

Xuzhou East, 692 km from Beijing, has 21 daily G trains Beijing-Xuzhou, taking 2:37 to 3:21, price RMB 310 second class, RMB 520 first class, RMB 590 VIP seat. First train travels 8:05 to 10:52, last one 18:06 to 21:06.

Xuzhou East is also 626 km from Shanghai, has 25 daily G trains Shanghai-Xuzhou, taking 2:29 to 2:49, price RMB 280 second class,RMB 475 first class. First train travels 7:05 to 9:42, last one 18:42 to 21:25.

Which connection has been more important and popular for Xuzhou?

The stations on the newly opened Beijing-Zhengzhou high speed railway are:
Zhuozhou East - G653, G511, G605, G6703, G521, G6705, G6709, G615, G6711 (0:25); 2 D trains at 0:25 to 0:26; already reachable by slow trains in 0:43
Gaobeidian East - 10 G trains, 0:30 or 0:37, price RMB 38/61/73; 4 D trains, 0:30 to 0:43, price RMB 26/41
Baoding East - 30 G trains, 0:41 or 0:48, price RMB 64/102/122
Dingzhou East - 12 G trains, 0:54 to 1:08, price RMB 93/148/176
Shijiazhuang Airport - G6701 (1:17)
Shijiazhuang South - 48 G trains, 1:07 to 1:33, price RMB 129/207/246
Gaoyi West - 5 G trains, 1:36 to 1:38, price RMB 153 second class
Xingtai East - 11 G trains, 1:50 to 1:58, price RMB 186/297/353
Handan East - 19 G trains, 2:01 to 2:15, price RMB 210/336/399
Anyang East - 11 G trains, 2:16 to 2:30, price RMB 237/379/450
Hebi East - 9 G trains, 2:31 to 2:49, price RMB 256/409/486
Xinxiang East - 11 G trains, 2:41 to 2:56, price RMB 282/451/537.

Which of these are worth visiting and developing?

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Awaiting for the first to post a trip report with pics
I might give it a try next trip.
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Old Dec 27, 12, 8:28 am
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Shijiazhuang Airport station

Shijiazhuang Airport is reputed to offer a "full refund" of rail ticket price to air passengers holding tickets from the stations of:
Beijing
Zhuozhou
Gaobeidian
Taiyuan
Yangquan
Zhengzhou
Anyang

see:
http://e.weibo.com/1823196243/zby4l3uCA

From Beijing, Shijiazhuang Airport seems to be served by 1 G train and 4 D trains daily.
Does the "full refund" apply to first class rail tickets as well?
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Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack
Shijiazhuang Airport is reputed to offer a "full refund" of rail ticket price to air passengers holding tickets from the stations of:
Beijing
Zhuozhou
Gaobeidian
Taiyuan
Yangquan
Zhengzhou
Anyang

see:
http://e.weibo.com/1823196243/zby4l3uCA

From Beijing, Shijiazhuang Airport seems to be served by 1 G train and 4 D trains daily.
Does the "full refund" apply to first class rail tickets as well?
The page says it's limited to 2nd class seat only.
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Old Dec 28, 12, 2:33 am
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The trains which reach Shijiazhuang Airport and to which the offer of full refund of second class ticket for air passengers applies are:
G6701, arrives 11:45, departs Beijing West 10:28, Gaobeidian 11:00
D2001, arrives 8:28, departs Beijing West 7:10
D2003, arrives 15:06, departs Beijing West 13:19, Zhuozhou 13:53, Gaobeidian 14:04
D2031, arrives 16:41, departs Beijing West 15:03, Gaobeidian 15:41
D2005, arrives 17:05, departs Beijing West 15:20, Gaobeidian 16:11
D2002, arrives 10:51, departs Taiyuan 9:10, Yangquan 9:50
D2022, arrives 10:38, departs Zhengzhou 8:20, Anyang 9:39
D2032, arrives 12:21, departs Zhengzhou 9:52, Anyang 10:43
D2004, arrives 12:35, departs Taiyuan 11:11, Yangquan 11:52
D2006, arrives 18:58, departs Taiyuan 17:15, Yangquan 17:57
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Originally Posted by allset2travel View Post
Awaiting for the first to post a trip report with pics
I might give it a try next trip.
This sounds like a good one for Seat2A.
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Originally Posted by allset2travel View Post
Awaiting for the first to post a trip report with pics
I might give it a try next trip.
+1

Exciting. Always wonder why there isn't a HSR between Guangzhou and Beijing, little did I realize it was being built. Definitely would try out next time in China. A silly question, do they have sleeper seats? I mean it's 8-hour journey.
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Old Dec 28, 12, 7:51 pm
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Originally Posted by RJ77 View Post
+1

Exciting. Always wonder why there isn't a HSR between Guangzhou and Beijing, little did I realize it was being built. Definitely would try out next time in China. A silly question, do they have sleeper seats? I mean it's 8-hour journey.
That's a good question. Also are there any through trains, or what are
the minimum stops.

Above posters say 10 hrs, state media says 8.
Well is it 8 or 10?

Link to map shows Zhengzhou, Wuchang, Changsha, ...are those
minimum stops?


http://www.mtr.com.hk/eng/projects/i...cope_map02.jpg
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In my ideal world they'd build a Beijing-Jilin HSR but I'll settle for Beijing-Harbin via Changchun. I'm so sick of having to fly into CGQ and YNJ because the alternative is an 18 hour overnight trip on a T train and possible transfer to another K train...
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