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Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 18753694)
Fixed it for ya!
Seriously, the police are definitely not doing their jobs in the greater Sanlitun area. Beijing municipal government needs to get a grip on this problem, which is definitely on the increase. Not just Chinese vs foreigner, but Chinese vs Chinese and the general level of hooliganism among young Chinese males. I also think the police are afraid that when they start reeling in the assaulters in this area of the city, they'll find sons of the cadres and of wealthy business families. Nobody wants "their rice bowl broken" |
Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 18749618)
I have to say, I found the video extremely disturbing to watch. What shocked me was not the violence per se -- sadly, excess alcohol leads to idiots becoming total idiots --
-- SNIP -- tb |
Originally Posted by MIT_SBM
(Post 18772982)
I usually try to find a safe exit from these types of situations because you never know when they might escalate into something with which you really don't want to be involved.
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Originally Posted by benzemalyonnais
(Post 18749241)
Wow, no one had any desire to stop the really drunk guy who could've easily been stopped......
Originally Posted by MIT_SBM
(Post 18772982)
I was not shocked by the violence in the video but rather that a group of people just stood around watching and recording the violence and making comments such as "I think he's dead." I am not advocating that one becomes involved in trying to "break up" an altercation such as this, but maybe a call to the police would be appropriate. I usually try to find a safe exit from these types of situations because you never know when they might escalate into something with which you really don't want to be involved.
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Dude was pretty big.
One of those metal stools to the back of his head. Life in prison..in China. No thanks. |
Foreigner beaten to death over 5RMB moped fare?
Story coming out of Guangzhou. According to what Matouvu has heard, which we cannot verify, the Chinese moped driver asked the Nigerian man to pay RMB5, which the man claimed not to have. It’s not clear if the RMB5 was part of the originally-agreed fare, or an additional charge. Regardless, when the Nigerian man refused to pay, the Chinese moped driver notified his friends to help pressure the Nigerian man. At some point, the altercation escalated, and many believe he was eventually beaten to death. http://www.thenanfang.com/blog/exclu...hat-went-down/ |
Beijing knife attacks on Americans
Random acts or anti-foreigner motivated? On July 12, an American man, 62, was stabbed to death at a hutong in the Dashilan On May 17, an American businessman was stabbed in the buttocks near the gate at the top of Qianmen http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/720568.shtml |
Read the Chinese version of the story, but can't seem to find the link. Anyways, the attacker was a brand new migrant to Beijing with mental issues. In this case, think it was random act of violence.
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This goes beyond foreigners getting into fights
While not common, since I've lived in Beijing there have been other random attacks such as this that seem to be one of two types:
1) Mentally unhinged...which always seem to be migrants (waidiren) not Beijingers (if you believe the reports) 2) Robbery attempts gone wrong. Off the top of my head, I can think of several incidents of foreigners being murdered in the last 6-7 years: --American-Taiwanese wife of an expat--she was unexpectedly at home when robbers stopped in to grab a large amount of money being kept there--inside job with ayi involved --Spanish woman stabbed to death in the wee hours near south gate of Chaoyang Park, fall of 2006, robbery attempt gone wrong. Don't think perpetrators ever caught, there were supposedly three of them. --American man stabbed to death at Drum Tower at the start of the Olympics in 2008, attacker jumped off tower and committed suicide. He was apparently a bitter and unhinged waidiren. This made intl news. --French woman tourist stabbed and injured about 3 years ago, I think in the same general Dashilan area. Seemed to be a crazy waidiren also, random violence. --Earlier this year, young European woman resident in Beijing, stabbed repeatedly while walking home in wee hours from Sanlitun to her home just south of there. Robbery attempt gone wrong. Her injuries were not life threatening and she recovered. I'm sure there are more incidents that have slipped my mind or that I don't know about. I'm not sure if it's true that these incidents seem to be on the increase. I do know that Chinese complain that Chinese-on-Chinese serious violence seems to be increasing, and the perpetrators mostly seem to be (surprise!) outsiders not Beijingers. |
Originally Posted by chumbleflea
(Post 18926226)
Anyways, the attacker was a brand new migrant to Beijing with mental issues. .
Don't have all the stats but from memory recent 2012 July Beijing: American stabbed to death by *mentally challenged. Olympics 2008 Beijing: American stabbed to death by mentally challenged. Shanghai ~2007-8 Canadian Model stabbed to death by mentally challenged. *re: mentally challenged, not sure if the correct designation/term, excuse me if not pc. Seems as though no death to a foreigner in China is caused by anyone other than mentally challenged. |
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 18926531)
Don't have all the stats
but from memory recent 2012 July Beijing: American stabbed to death by *mentally challenged. Olympics 2008 Beijing: American stabbed to death by mentally challenged. Shanghai ~2007-8 Canadian Model stabbed to death by mentally challenged. *re: mentally challenged, not sure if the correct designation/term, excuse me if not pc. Seems as though no death to a foreigner in China is caused by anyone other than mentally challenged. |
Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
(Post 18926787)
Actually, it doesn't surprise me. Killing a foreigner is going to bring a lot of wrath from the police, it's not something that a sensible criminal would do.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 18926729)
I'm inclined to agree that any person who kills another person is "mentally challenged" by default, but the incidents you mentioned do not even begin to scratch the surface of this topic (violence in general). I don't want to say too much more because it would do us all a disservice if FT was added to the list of banned sites in China, but I suggest that you study a bit more about these episodes on google (hint: "vics beijing russian").
ETA: We should consider asking the FT people to delete this entire thread soon. I started it, and I like the discussion, but this current crack down on foreigners is semi intense. While the chances of any of us being deported or denied visas are remote, I think it might be best if this conversation were to simply disappear. Just steal it. Makes more money! Flyertea.com |
Off topic, but kudos are due:
Glad to see Jamoldo back to the china forum. Jamoldo has contributed a great deal to this forum and if Ambassador positions open up on the Hong Kong Macau forum I would support Jamoldo Rkkwan and Pickles for nomination. |
I think we are all making a mountain out of a molehill (or is it anthill). We can just let this thread go further and further down the list of threads in this forum and if "foreigners get beat up" again then this will move back up in response. No more no less.
That being said, it is tough for folks to be "fair and even-handed" about China since everyone's definition may differ and people react to things in a different way (though it is always worth trying). I think most of us here are quite "fair" in most of our postings and informative. If we look back at all of the people that have been helped by postings in this area we've made (I would argue) travel to China and/or life/settling in there, far easier and less intimidating for many. ^^ Agreed on JieJie's Moondog sentiment 100%, though I disagree on this thread being "sensationalistic and voyeuristic" |
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