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jiejie Sep 12, 2012 9:08 am


Originally Posted by vermishel (Post 19301249)
Hi, we're going to travel in China for a month, and before we depart (and after reading this super-useful thread) I have a few questions regarding transport issues:

1. Night train from Beijing to Xi'an
We have booked tickets using a China-based friend-agent for the Z53 on Sep 18th. Following unexpected changes in our itinerary, we would like to change the date of this ride to the 19th. Is this possible at all, and how do we do it? Assuming that our agent is no longer in Beijing (he went travelling). We arrive to Beijing on the 17th in the morning.
Do we need to go to the station personally, or can we use one of the "kiosks" to change the date?

2. Booking a low fare flight from Guilin to Beijing
We want to fly sometime between the 11-13 of October. I saw tickets on ctrip for a late-night flight on the 11th for 190$ (incl. taxes). Should I keep looking for a lower fare, or is this as good as it gets?

3. Booking Chengdu-Guyiang train tickets in Beijing
We'll be leaving Beijing on the 18th (or 19th), and we want to buy the Chengdu-Guyiang sleeper tickets for September 29th. Is this possible, assuming it might be 11 days prior to the departure date? If it's not possible, can we book these tickets the next day when we're in Xi'an?

Thanks :-:

1. You can't "change the date." You need to buy a new ticket and refund the existing, two separate transactions. To refund the current ticket, you must have it in hand and show the ID's for whomever is printed on the ticket, but you can do this operation at a remote ticketing office as well as at the station. There will be a 5% penalty of the face value. If you are arriving on the 17th, it may be difficult to impossible to get another sleeper for the 19th to replace what you already have. At major train stations, there will be a separate window (tuipiao) for returns, and usually there is not much of a line.

2. Book it, don't wait. Guilin-Beijing route is not going to get any better during this time of year--it's peak season even though the national holiday is formally over. If you wait, you may get shut out entirely.

3. Not possible through the ticket window process, and you're not set up for online. You'll have to wait until the 10 day advance period opens up, and buy from wherever you are. If that's Xi'an, then so be it. Note: Xi'an also has remote ticketing offices so you don't necessarily have to buy at the station.

mnredfox Oct 8, 2012 12:35 am

Flying into SHA today. Land around 515pm. Expect to be out around 545pm. If I need to go to Pudong, is the consensus line 2 (green line) or taxi?

I'm guessing route will be from Hongqiao to Yan An Gao Jia down through the tunnel into Lujiazui...

I should be able to snag a seat on the green line before it gets ridiculous at People's square etc.

Price is not an issue, only time.

moondog Oct 8, 2012 1:40 am


Originally Posted by mnredfox (Post 19455714)
Flying into SHA today. Land around 515pm. Expect to be out around 545pm. If I need to go to Pudong, is the consensus line 2 (green line) or taxi?

I'm guessing route will be from Hongqiao to Yan An Gao Jia down through the tunnel into Lujiazui...

I should be able to snag a seat on the green line before it gets ridiculous at People's square etc.

Price is not an issue, only time.

You should come meet us at Big Bamboo first; it's burger night! In either case, I would go for the taxi. Line 2 during rush hour isn't fun.

mosburger Oct 8, 2012 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by mnredfox (Post 19455714)
Flying into SHA today. Land around 515pm. Expect to be out around 545pm. If I need to go to Pudong, is the consensus line 2 (green line) or taxi?

I'm guessing route will be from Hongqiao to Yan An Gao Jia down through the tunnel into Lujiazui...

I should be able to snag a seat on the green line before it gets ridiculous at People's square etc.

Price is not an issue, only time.

Line 9 is another option to Lujiazui. Just have to figure out how to get on that one first. New carriage and relatively quiet.

wjv144 Oct 10, 2012 4:22 am

I'm afraid I have to disagree with Moondog on this one :cool: Line 2 is your best bet, if time is your priority. If you have carry-on luggage only, you could walk all the way to the train station (+500m) and enter the subway there. It is the first busy station on line 2, so there you might be able to get a seat for your 50 minutes ride.

5:45PM will be peak time at Hongqiao, so getting a taxi will be the first hurdle. Expect waiting time anywhere between 15-45 minutes.

If you decide to take the taxi ride, I would advise to forget the tunnel, it is completely blocked with traffic at that time. You will lose a lot of time there.

Instead make use of Nanpu Bridge and on the Pudong side direct the driver to Pudong Nan Lu and Puming Lu. (that is if you need to be in the vicinity of Lujiazhui subway station/ Pearl tower area)

mosburger Oct 10, 2012 5:33 am


Originally Posted by wjv144 (Post 19469533)
I'm afraid I have to disagree with Moondog on this one :cool: Line 2 is your best bet, if time is your priority. If you have carry-on luggage only, you could walk all the way to the train station (+500m) and enter the subway there. It is the first busy station on line 2, so there you might be able to get a seat for your 50 minutes ride.

I have to say, as a non-Shanghai resident but sort of ultra frequent visitor: Deeply , deeply resent both line 1 and 2. Will do my utmost to avoid those any time of day, but especially rush hour.

After several hundred rides just can't stand those sharp elbowed farmers and migrant workers with their huge rice sacks and toolbags anymore. Give me any alternative routing and I'll gladly take it, be it on the subway, bus, taxi or limousine.

moondog Oct 10, 2012 6:44 am


Originally Posted by wjv144 (Post 19469533)
It is the first busy station on line 2, so there you might be able to get a seat for your 50 minutes ride.

-I never count on getting a seat at the train station because during busy times it's a battle, so --when I take the subway from T2-- I simply suck it up and stand until I reach a transfer station
-Hongqiao to Lujiazui on the subway is more like 35 minutes v. 40 minutes for the taxi (even during rush hour)
-I like to take the subway to the airport, due to its predictability, but when I'm inbound to SH, I don't care about the extra 5 minutes, which are sometimes an extra 20 minutes; I'd much rather chill in the back of taxi with my computer then deal with Line 2

BuildingMyBento Oct 13, 2012 11:59 am

Sometimes, I'd walk in the opposite direction one stop because I know that station would be much less busy. For example, if you know Shenzhen, Dongmen is a major shopping district. Thus, the Dongmen bus stops are often an unnecessary 头疼. So, if heading northeast, I'd walk southwest to the Menzhenbu bus stop on Shennan Donglu.

Sure, this could work anywhere in the world, depending on the time, but in the rest of the world, I also don't typically see twelve (scheduled) buses going to the same stop.

wjv144 Nov 6, 2012 11:51 pm

ID check at train atation entrance
 
Just a heads up to avoid use of your secretary's ID card for convenience.

Last week and again today I had a business travel by train (Shanghai Honfqiao - Nanjing South and back).

On both trips my train ticket was checked against my passport number.

At Hongqiao they check at the entrance port to the platform, causing some delay. Looks like they only check Beijing trains.

At Nanjing Nan they check you at the entrance, so everybody get's checked. One unlucky fellow laowai got refused to enter and she had to go downstairs to the ticket office to change her ticket (and miss her original train)

Let's hope this stops after november 18 ;)

Shimon Nov 7, 2012 7:16 am

Give your secretary your passport. Even a photocopy.

moondog Nov 7, 2012 7:49 am


Originally Posted by Shimon (Post 19640665)
Give your secretary your passport. Even a photocopy.

We're all familiar with this approach, but if the secretary is already set up in the system, it is often easier for her to simply book using her ID (similar to using a stored profile in Expedia). I've been busted doing the ID/ticket mismatch drill before, but have always been told not to let it happen again.

tauphi Nov 7, 2012 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 19640836)
We're all familiar with this approach, but if the secretary is already set up in the system, it is often easier for her to simply book using her ID (similar to using a stored profile in Expedia). I've been busted doing the ID/ticket mismatch drill before, but have always been told not to let it happen again.

You mean the secretary is setup through the 12306 website? It's trivial to book with any ID in that system.

mnredfox Nov 9, 2012 1:16 am


Originally Posted by wjv144 (Post 19639476)
Just a heads up to avoid use of your secretary's ID card for convenience.

Last week and again today I had a business travel by train (Shanghai Honfqiao - Nanjing South and back).

On both trips my train ticket was checked against my passport number.

At Hongqiao they check at the entrance port to the platform, causing some delay. Looks like they only check Beijing trains.

At Nanjing Nan they check you at the entrance, so everybody get's checked. One unlucky fellow laowai got refused to enter and she had to go downstairs to the ticket office to change her ticket (and miss her original train)

Let's hope this stops after november 18 ;)

And when they didn't match what happened?

JDiver Apr 13, 2013 1:57 pm

Airline questions are best asked in the appropriate airline fora, so posts asking airline related questions have been moved to the proper fora.

JDiver
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lax2010 Apr 14, 2013 3:17 am


Originally Posted by wjv144 (Post 19639476)
Just a heads up to avoid use of your secretary's ID card for convenience.

Last week and again today I had a business travel by train (Shanghai Honfqiao - Nanjing South and back).

On both trips my train ticket was checked against my passport number.

At Hongqiao they check at the entrance port to the platform, causing some delay. Looks like they only check Beijing trains.

At Nanjing Nan they check you at the entrance, so everybody get's checked. One unlucky fellow laowai got refused to enter and she had to go downstairs to the ticket office to change her ticket (and miss her original train)

Let's hope this stops after november 18 ;)

I know this post is 5-month old but what was the significant about November 18, 2012 with respect to this?


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