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Woah!
Due to fireworks?
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 17865275)
01-23-2012; 02:00; PM2.5; 972.0; 500; Beyond Index // Ozone; 0.0; 0; No Reading
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Originally Posted by HawaiiO
(Post 17865701)
Woah!
Due to fireworks? |
Originally Posted by HawaiiO
(Post 17865701)
Woah!
Due to fireworks? |
That must suck to be living in a toxic waste dump created ....duping the Chinese by greedy foreign capatilists.:td:
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 17867850)
That must suck to be living in a toxic waste dump created ....duping the Chinese by greedy foreign capatilists.:td:
The drop off in pollution this week, while partly due to the shift in the weather (Siberian winds), is clearly stems from the drop off in traffic on the roads; 5 million cars = really bad air. In past years, construction dust, and storms, and factory emissions were also culprits, but these variables have been eliminated for the most part. It is all about the cars! So, I've been thinking. If driving was incredibly expensive (think Singapore model where you pay a premium to enter the heart of the city during peak times), the quality of life would be much better on the whole. When the subway expansion is complete, it will be possible to go from anywhere to anywhere, which is great, but will entail some insanely long rides. Give us some express trains like Tokyo (e.g. CBD to Wudaokou), and we'll be in good shape. Taxi fares should also be 100% higher than current levels; those guys deserve to make a decent living, and if they could, it would be possible to fetch them without outrunning old ladies. Shanghai has done a much better job on this front; y40k for a license plate --> far fewer private cars. And, taxis are expensive enough to encourage the use of mass transit for many people. |
Although still too expensive for most people, and no 'status symbol' cache, the BJ government is trying to encourage electric car use: no need for the lottery to buy an electric car. As I've said before, if I could afford it, and had a charging point in a parking space, I would buy a volt.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 17868027)
In past years, construction dust, and storms, and factory emissions were also culprits, but these variables have been eliminated for the most part. It is all about the cars!
. HYBRID. Also have large enough vehicle for carpooling. :D |
Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 17868457)
Although still too expensive for most people, and no 'status symbol' cache, the BJ government is trying to encourage electric car use: no need for the lottery to buy an electric car. As I've said before, if I could afford it, and had a charging point in a parking space, I would buy a volt.
tb |
Quick Fix@:-)
Even-Odd Plates worked for 08 Olympics
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 17874357)
Quick Fix@:-)
Even-Odd Plates worked for 08 Olympics
tb |
78,000 cars in Beijing 1978
4.8 million in 2010 One giant parking lot. |
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 17875272)
78,000 cars in Beijing 1978
4.8 million in 2010 One giant parking lot. |
Beijing odd/even license plates
My understanding is that driving is still somewhat restricted in Beijing based on whether you have an odd or even license plate.
A supplier I have in BJ told me, however, that he has two cars, one even, one odd, to get around the restriction. So much for trying to control pollution and traffic congestion. |
Originally Posted by junipermike
(Post 17894492)
My understanding is that driving is still somewhat restricted in Beijing based on whether you have an odd or even license plate.
A supplier I have in BJ told me, however, that he has two cars, one even, one odd, to get around the restriction. So much for trying to control pollution and traffic congestion. tb |
Originally Posted by junipermike
(Post 17894492)
My understanding is that driving is still somewhat restricted in Beijing based on whether you have an odd or even license plate.
A supplier I have in BJ told me, however, that he has two cars, one even, one odd, to get around the restriction. So much for trying to control pollution and traffic congestion. The "license plate lottery" is the government's latest defense against the car problem. Every month, 1 in ~12 applicants are given the opportunity to fetch license plates. Naturally, those with 关系 have figured out ways to beat the system, but it has been reasonably effective. That having been said, the Shanghai approach (expensive license plates) is clearly a better solution to the problem at hand. Worry not; I remain confident that BJ will be a nice place some day; it's basically 30 years behind Tokyo (i.e. give it a chance to catch up), and the guys running the show are not morons. |
Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 17894930)
It's days of the week...so on any one (work) day, only about 20% of cars are off the road. A true even/odd system would take 50% of cars off the road, but it would be utterly brutal -- which may be what is actually needed!
tb |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 17895031)
Worry not; I remain confident that BJ will be a nice place some day; it's basically 30 years behind Tokyo (i.e. give it a chance to catch up), and the guys running the show are not morons.
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Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 17902833)
You are more optimistic than I. I think BJ will not become a nice place to live again, until it's de-populated by about 1/3 of the present level. That may have to happen at some point anyway, due to outstripping of water supplies, which unlike traffic and pollution, is not talked about here (or much anywhere else publicly), but is probably an even more serious issue.
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Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 17902833)
You are more optimistic than I. I think BJ will not become a nice place to live again, until it's de-populated by about 1/3 of the present level. That may have to happen at some point anyway, due to outstripping of water supplies, which unlike traffic and pollution, is not talked about here (or much anywhere else publicly), but is probably an even more serious issue.
WATER SHORTAGE IN BEIJING SEVERE |
Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 17902833)
You are more optimistic than I. I think BJ will not become a nice place to live again, until it's de-populated by about 1/3 of the present level. That may have to happen at some point anyway, due to outstripping of water supplies, which unlike traffic and pollution, is not talked about here (or much anywhere else publicly), but is probably an even more serious issue.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 17874138)
While tough emissions laws/incentives may well have worked wonders in Los Angeles, I'm not convinced that similar laws would solve Beijing's problems.
I know of a few cases where there is very convincing proof of a certain kind that emission figures recorded by local laboratories where later changed to keep them within allowed levels. |
Originally Posted by mosburger
(Post 17907571)
Especially as local authorities are forging industry emission figures to protect state owned companies and private tycoons with good guangxi.
I know of a few cases where there is very convincing proof of a certain kind that emission figures recorded by local laboratories where later changed to keep them within allowed levels. No big fine or jail if caught falsifying emissions reports. http://china-wire.org/?p=17278 |
Is pollution bad today in PEK?
I was looking at the AQI index and it was 160+... Anyone knows of a webcam for PEK? The only webcam i could find showed a grey landscape scene in the afternoon so I'm not exactly sure it was accurate. Edit: hmm, looking through the US Embassy AQI, it seems that some days are pretty good, as in sub-50. But, May 1 was 300+ at noon! That is just ridiculous. |
Beijing needs a better subway.
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 17874357)
Quick Fix@:-)
Even-Odd Plates worked for 08 Olympics
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Originally Posted by HawaiiO
(Post 18497337)
Is pollution bad today in PEK?
I was looking at the AQI index and it was 160+... Anyone knows of a webcam for PEK? The only webcam i could find showed a grey landscape scene in the afternoon so I'm not exactly sure it was accurate. Edit: hmm, looking through the US Embassy AQI, it seems that some days are pretty good, as in sub-50. But, May 1 was 300+ at noon! That is just ridiculous. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 18497488)
Today isn't so bad, and neither was yesterday.
I can see out my 18F office window quite a distance, which is a good sign. Not clear blue skies but I'm happy to take anything below 200. :eek: |
Originally Posted by Shimon
(Post 18497415)
Beijing needs a better subway.
It has enormous scope, is continuing to expand through the foreseeable future, is cheap as dirt and has a good safety record in comparison to say London or Boston. Moreover, it is air-conditioned and has decent mobile phone reception. Try an articulated bus with wooden floors choking diesel fumes and so crowded you can't breath those fumes anyway.:p |
Originally Posted by Skillet
(Post 18498640)
Better in what way? How is it falling short of reasonable expectations?
It has enormous scope, is continuing to expand through the foreseeable future, is cheap as dirt and has a good safety record in comparison to say London or Boston. Moreover, it is air-conditioned and has decent mobile phone reception. Try an articulated bus with wooden floors choking diesel fumes and so crowded you can't breath those fumes anyway.:p In spite of the annoyingly long transfers, Beijing's subway network is pretty damn impressive. Furthermore, Big Brother has mandated that all points within 4th Ring (a massive area... think Rhode Island) will be within 15 minutes walking distance of a subway station by 2020. To the best of my knowledge, no other city in the entire world can boast such, or has aspirations of doing so. Oh, and it will get built. That having been said, we really need Tokyo style express trains (i.e. if they really care about Financial Street, it should be possible to get there from the CBD in 15 minutes, as opposed to 40 minutes). Many of us are looking forward to Line 6 because it will offer express trains. (I recently relocated to a building that has indoor access to a major Line 6 station, and can already envision a repeat of the Shuangjing success story.) The bottom line is that everyone knows that the air pollution and the traffic are Beijing's two biggest drawbacks; subway expansion = 两鸟一石. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 18499016)
...Furthermore, Big Brother has mandated that all points within 4th Ring (a massive area... think Rhode Island) will be within 15 minutes walking distance of a subway station by 2020. To the best of my knowledge, no other city in the entire world can boast such, or has aspirations of doing so. Oh, and it will get built.
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US embassy has started posting their numbers for Shanghai.
Similar to what they are doing for Beijing. http://twitter.com/#!/cgshanghaiair |
A senior Chinese official demanded on Tuesday that foreign embassies stop issuing air pollution readings, saying it was against the law.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85408S20120606 |
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 18705587)
A senior Chinese official demanded on Tuesday that foreign embassies stop issuing air pollution readings, saying it was against the law.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85408S20120606 |
I think the reason, at least partly, for the recent upswing in official resentment is that for some time, having the feed on twitter kept it away from the vast majority of chinese. But very recently, many, many apps have popped up that basically give the embassy information without need for a vpn.
No longer is it expats and a handful of rich chinese getting the info...hence trouble. tb |
Well, the USA could be neighborly and offer to pay for putting up a similar pollution monitor at the Chinese Embassy in Washington, DC. :D
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Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 18708222)
I think the reason, at least partly, for the recent upswing in official resentment is that for some time, having the feed on twitter kept it away from the vast majority of chinese. But very recently, many, many apps have popped up that basically give the embassy information without need for a vpn.
No longer is it expats and a handful of rich chinese getting the info...hence trouble. tb |
Originally Posted by swy
(Post 18733603)
what are some of the apps that you are referring to? Just curious...
tb |
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/Met...2Bto%2Bforget/
"Its air quality index made it the dirtiest city in the country over the weekend because of straw burning, an agricultural practice that is banned in Shanghai." I saw straw burning on my way from Pudong airport to the city just a few days ago. |
Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 18733700)
Just type "beijing air" into google play/ itunes and there are several options that pop up. Not sure if they come up outside of china (not sure of your location).
tb |
this is happening right now. I am going to pack a few N95 respirators since I heading there this Friday.
http://news.google.com/news/story?cf...za9nDvTMl2HJjM http://news.google.com/news/story?hl...ed=0CDgQqgIwAA |
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