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Originally Posted by TATL lawyer
(Post 15638542)
Consider the threads "REALLY, Delta.dumb?" or "Why has it crashed ... NO seats out of JFK all month?!" etc ad nauseam re. their ability to sell a seat on their own plane ..... and then wonder if it is not the ideal location to get advice on Chinese visas
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Thought I would add my experience with going to China.
BEWARE OF IROPS checking in at a busy DL operation with a Chinese Visa. You must check in with an agent, no Kiosks. My second trip to China was in March/April 2008. Leaving on Friday, BHM-ATL-ICN-PVG. Weather/Equipment Outage in ATL delayed BHM-ATL to arrive 30 minutes after ATL-ICN left. GA was very helpful, rebooked me ATL-PVG direct for next day. Took BHM-ATL on Friday, and spent the night in ATL. Arrived next day 3 hours ahead of time. Problem was between IROPS/the first day of Georgia Spring break, DL check-in in ATL was melting down. 3 hours in line got me to agent right as my flight was leaving (my last flight w/o status, but later found out Medallion was still 2 hour wait). Spring break meant the only other option was $5000 for Air France to oversell ATL-CDG (continuing to CDG-PVG), or ATL-PVG on Sunday. Needless to say I checked in a 3 AM Sunday Morning, and still waited in line 45 minutes. Just wanted to point out that you must remember that you have to see an agent to check in for China Itinerary. Kiosk check in would have gotten me to the gate with plenty of time. |
I used the service below and it was very fast.
http://www.passportsandvisas.com/visas/china.asp |
Mikeplat, if you get Chionese visas every year then you should know that for the last four years or so the price of visas for US pssport holders has been the same irregarless of whether you get a one entry one month visa or a two year multiple entry visas, as posted by another above the only difference in cost is how fast you want it expedited (i.e. less than their "standard" four days). Regarding no visa, the Shanghai information above is factually incorrect. It only applies for up to 48 hours if you are transitting into and out of DIFFERENT Shanghain airports (SHA and PVG), it can at times be a challenge to find int'l flights out of PVG to do this....I have had to get people in and out at the last minute who could not get visas in advance and this is not the easiest trick. The only other "hole" currently is that groups of 5 US citizens can visit Hainan with a group visa which is essentially a letter from a Hainan tour agency (many other countries can now do Hainan without Visas, not US citizens though).
BTW, she'll need no such letter, that garbage mostly applies to Canada, Mexico and a few other places near the US (Caribbean and Central America). |
Originally Posted by hfly
(Post 15644990)
Mikeplat, if you get Chionese visas every year then you should know that for the last four years or so the price of visas for US pssport holders has been the same irregarless of whether you get a one entry one month visa or a two year multiple entry visas, as posted by another above the only difference in cost is how fast you want it expedited (i.e. less than their "standard" four days). Regarding no visa, the Shanghai information above is factually incorrect. It only applies for up to 48 hours if you are transitting into and out of DIFFERENT Shanghain airports (SHA and PVG), it can at times be a challenge to find int'l flights out of PVG to do this....I have had to get people in and out at the last minute who could not get visas in advance and this is not the easiest trick. The only other "hole" currently is that groups of 5 US citizens can visit Hainan with a group visa which is essentially a letter from a Hainan tour agency (many other countries can now do Hainan without Visas, not US citizens though).
BTW, she'll need no such letter, that garbage mostly applies to Canada, Mexico and a few other places near the US (Caribbean and Central America). Visas are not required of passport holders of the following countries, who transit through Pudong Airport or Hongqiao Airport of Shanghai, provided they hold valid passports, visas for the onward countries, final destination tickets and have booked seats, and stay in Shanghai for less than 48 hours : Republic of Korea, United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Austria, Greece, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland. http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/zgqz/t84242.htm Here is a FT thread on it too: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/china...e-transit.html |
Really glad that I found this thread. I have to travel to HKG and main land China for work. I will be living in HKG for 3 months, my employer will be applying for a multiple entry visa to China in HKG, not in the USA. My family will be moving out with me to HKG as well, my employer advised me to apply for their visas in HKG. I thought you had to apply for a Chinese visa in the USA only. Which one is true?
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Originally Posted by mfong
(Post 15645773)
Really glad that I found this thread. I have to travel to HKG and main land China for work. I will be living in HKG for 3 months, my employer will be applying for a multiple entry visa to China in HKG, not in the USA. My family will be moving out with me to HKG as well, my employer advised me to apply for their visas in HKG. I thought you had to apply for a Chinese visa in the USA only. Which one is true?
Thanks However, as others have mentioned in this thread, multientry visas for China (assuming US citizen) are now (post-Olympics) relatively easy to get (especially if you previously have had a visa for China), although no China visa is cheap for a US citizen. The main hassle is that you must either apply in person or use a visa agency. |
Originally Posted by mfong
(Post 15645773)
Really glad that I found this thread. I have to travel to HKG and main land China for work. I will be living in HKG for 3 months, my employer will be applying for a multiple entry visa to China in HKG, not in the USA. My family will be moving out with me to HKG as well, my employer advised me to apply for their visas in HKG. I thought you had to apply for a Chinese visa in the USA only. Which one is true?
The cost is a bit higher than in the US but they can accommodate applicants in 24 hrs. That sure beats having to fly back to Houston/Chicago/etc. |
my gf used www.visahq.com for this past summer. You can submit application online and mail them your passport. They have online updates to show you which stage in the process your application is on in terms of receipt of passport, submission, etc. She had applied for single entry visa but received multiple entries visa instead which would normally cost more and require a letter of explanation. Not sure if that happens to everyone who applies through them or was just an unexpected bonus. She chose 3 bus. day processing and got passport back within a week or so.
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yes
you need visas for China.
also, to pluralize a word, all you need to do is add an s. Sometimes an es. NEVER an 's. |
Originally Posted by TTT
(Post 15645305)
The Chinese embassy does not say anything about transiting to a different Shanghai airport:
(Bolding mine) http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/zgqz/t84242.htm |
Originally Posted by hfly
(Post 15644990)
Regarding no visa, the Shanghai information above is factually incorrect. It only applies for up to 48 hours if you are transitting into and out of DIFFERENT Shanghain airports (SHA and PVG),
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You are right, they changed the verbiage, OTOH I just checked Timatic and there is no such mention of any such visa for Shanghai (there used to be) but it now seems that Hangzhou has opened up a little bit more............
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Originally Posted by hfly
(Post 15648510)
You are right, they changed the verbiage, OTOH I just checked Timatic and there is no such mention of any such visa for Shanghai (there used to be) but it now seems that Hangzhou has opened up a little bit more............
TWOV (Transit Without Visa): - All transiting passengers are subject to passport control. For more details on document requirements, please enter China (People's Rep.) as a destination. Visa required, except for Those passengers continuing their journey within 24 hours (or within the same day at Guangzhou -CAN) to a third country by the same or first connecting aircraft, and holding documents and confirmed tickets for their onward journey. Leaving the airport transit area is allowed. Overnight facilities are available outside the airport: Visa required, except for Nationals of U.S.A., provided arriving at and departing from Shanghai Hongqiao or Pu Dong airports only, continuing to a third country within 48 hours and holding confirmed onward tickets and all documents required for next destination. Warning: - Passengers not complying with the entry or transit regulations will be deported by same or returning aircraft. -iirc, the 48 hour deal in SH was introduced on 10/1/99 (National Day), or close to it, in conjunction with the opening of Pudong Airport. Reading between the lines, I'm guessing there was some sort of push to bolster the new airport's status as a regional hub. -back then, and until fairly recently, all international flights were operated from PVG. Therefore, the idea of forcing people to switch airports in order to avail of the 48 hour stay opportunity would have been completely impossible. Even now, the list of international destinations from Hongqiao is less than 10 in length. -Visa free transit at other airports started around the same time (I think). As CA, CZ, and MU expanded, they pursued markets such as Europe-Australia and USA-SE Asia. Since airside transit was impossible back then, they wouldn't have been able to get many passengers if a Chinese visa was a requirement. -I've never availed of visa free transit myself because I always have a PRC visa, but it's a pretty neat program.... a nice opportunity to include a (very) short visit to China on your next award trip. Somewhat off topic, I was just checking out the wiki on this subject and noticed that citizens of San Marino (a country I've barely heard of) are allowed to stay in China for 90 days at a time without visas. Does anybody know why? |
And to complicate things further (or make them easier, which is how we look at it!), if you enter China via Tibet, all the rules change! The quick google-found website below matches the information received by our tour operator.
As mentioned previously if entering into Tibet from Lhasa, you do not need a Chinese visa. The Tibet permit will do you until you leave China. Some notes: (1) If you do have a Chinese Visa, it will be cancelled on entry, so don't get one. (2) A Tibet Group Permit is for 21 days, though with a bit of persuasion can get 28 day permits (3) The Tibet Group Permit must have a minimum of two people of the same nationality on it. (4) It is possible to get a group permit with just one persons name on it. But, it will cost you over $1000, and a little time. |
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