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Originally Posted by ckjmglee
(Post 13750939)
As for Hong Kong, my jaded 14 year old son lamented that we only had two full days in the area...
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Originally Posted by gsforfree
(Post 14104691)
Aug 21 depart on overnight train to Xian
1 night Suggestions on hotel? |
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Originally Posted by gsforfree
(Post 14104691)
Here's an update on the itinerary:
Aug 16 arrive PEK (afternoon) 5 nights - trip to the wall, tianjin, some others tbd Grand Hyatt Tokyo Aug 21 depart on overnight train to Xian 1 night Suggestions on hotel? Aug 23 later morning/early afternoon flight to Shanghai 6 nights shanghai - some daytrips; EXPO Aug 29 depart morning to guilin 2 nights guilin Shangri-la Guilin Aug 31 depart to Shenzen (ferry to hong kong) 3 nights Hong Kong (maybe a day in Macao) Sep 3 depart back to US (1 day stop in tokyo) Any thoughts on the itinerary? 1) I assume you meant the Grand Hyatt Beijing, not Tokyo? ;) 2) A long time in Shanghai. I'd personally cut it down to 4 nights. 2 days for Expo + other Shanghai city "sights," 1-day daytrip to Suzhou by train (get an early start), and 1-day daytrip to a water town by road (get early start). Add one day to Guilin/Yangshuo--see below--and one day to HKG. 3) Guilin is not the place to be. Best to use it as a transport connection only and head for the Yangshuo area. There won't be a Shangri-La there but there are some decent 3-4* level places--the ones outside the town are more peaceful and get better reviews. Deal with the Li River trip in Yangshuo, which is the area where the better scenery is anyway. The Guilin-Yangshuo by river and bus back-standard tourist boat with high price is the 2nd biggest river trap in China, (after the yangtze river cruise). 4) I thought the ferry from Shenzhen to Hong Kong town is no longer running, though the ferry from Shenzhen to HKG airport is. Check up on this for your time frame--when it ran, it was only a very few times per day and it didn't fit with everyone's schedule. Best bet from Shenzhen airport to Hong Kong (either Island or Kowloon side) is to take the bus from the airport, RMB 90 per person. In each arrival terminal, there is a row of kiosks before you head out the door, offering nice a/c bus service to various destinations--you want to use the one that goes through the Shenzhen Bay border crossing. Buses leave about every 20-30 minutes throughout the day. Takes about 1.5 hours including getting through border immigration/customs formalities, ending up at Kowloon metro station which is in a big mall. Taxi or metro from there. Details on the specifics of this process can be found/ provided in another thread, if you choose this method. 5) I'd stay in HKG entirely. If you run out of things to do in HKG (unlikely), then you can do a daytrip to Macau. I think the most productive daytrip to Macau is about 1/2 sightseeing, 1/2 in the casinos (whether to gawk or to gamble). Might not be appropriate if you have minor children with you though. 6) Unless you have a specific reason to do a 1-day stopover in Tokyo for visiting or business, I'd tend to skip it in favor of an extra day somewhere in China or HKG. If it's for purposes of breaking up the trip and taking a rest before the transpac, don't bother, it doesn't work. I think you will find that this itinerary is very easy to do on your own, with some prebookings via online, and the rest arranged as you go, picking up local transport for local sights. You'll need to do some advance research on the details (lots of China-experienced FT'ers can help you, also some other good websites for DIY info). You will be glad you didn't sign up for the escorted tour. |
Originally Posted by gsforfree
(Post 14104691)
Here's an update on the itinerary:
Aug 16 arrive PEK (afternoon) 5 nights - trip to the wall, tianjin, some others tbd Grand Hyatt Tokyo Aug 21 depart on overnight train to Xian 1 night Suggestions on hotel? Aug 23 later morning/early afternoon flight to Shanghai 6 nights shanghai - some daytrips; EXPO Aug 29 depart morning to guilin 2 nights guilin Shangri-la Guilin Aug 31 depart to Shenzen (ferry to hong kong) 3 nights Hong Kong (maybe a day in Macao) Sep 3 depart back to US (1 day stop in tokyo) Any thoughts on the itinerary? For me, I'd take the time in Shanghai and do an overnight in Hangzhou (1hr by train from SHA) which I like better than Suzhou and do a day trip to Xiaoxing (45 min by train from Hangzhou) which I find more interesting than some of the water towns near SHA. The area near Guilin is beautiful, the Li River cruise is great I spent one night in Guilin and a couple in Yangshuo. Spent a day cycling through the rice paddies. You could do one night each and take a taxi to the Guilin airport to fly out. Either way will be fine. Guilin itself is pretty heavily touristed though the views and river are iconic China. I hope the river is high enough to cruise all the way to Yangshuo. Just remember not to brush your teeth with the tap water. And for the people who approach to sell you stuff, just say, bu yao, pron. boo y-ow, it means don't want. If you want any restaurant recommendations, just let me know. In any event, I think you've got a great itinerary and I hope you enjoy China as much as I do. |
Originally Posted by fsfguy
(Post 14173247)
For me, I'd take the time in Shanghai and do an overnight in Hangzhou (1hr by train from SHA) which I like better than Suzhou
However, architects and people who are into gardens seem to have a soft spot for Suzhou. |
Originally Posted by fsfguy
(Post 14173247)
Just remember not to brush your teeth with the tap water.
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Originally Posted by gsforfree
(Post 14191855)
Is that everywhere or only in certain areas?
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Originally Posted by gsforfree
(Post 14191855)
Is that everywhere or only in certain areas?
Never fallen ill from that (I assume), but of course YMMV. |
Originally Posted by Chinatrvl
(Post 14192351)
Whilst I would never drink tap water unless it explicitely states it's good for that, I always use it to brush my teeth etc; regardless whether in Shanghai or small towns. Of course, if the water is brown, I wouldn't ;)
Never fallen ill from that (I assume), but of course YMMV. |
Seeing Tokyo in one day will be tough! You will want to do the one day city tour that includes a trip to the 5th station on mount Fuji. There are a lot more interesting things in Tokyo. One day will be tough!
Originally Posted by gsforfree
(Post 14104691)
Here's an update on the itinerary:
Aug 16 arrive PEK (afternoon) 5 nights - trip to the wall, tianjin, some others tbd Grand Hyatt Tokyo Aug 21 depart on overnight train to Xian 1 night Suggestions on hotel? Aug 23 later morning/early afternoon flight to Shanghai 6 nights shanghai - some daytrips; EXPO Aug 29 depart morning to guilin 2 nights guilin Shangri-la Guilin Aug 31 depart to Shenzen (ferry to hong kong) 3 nights Hong Kong (maybe a day in Macao) Sep 3 depart back to US (1 day stop in tokyo) Any thoughts on the itinerary? |
Originally Posted by lax2010
(Post 14203240)
Seeing Tokyo in one day will be tough! You will want to do the one day city tour that includes a trip to the 5th station on mount Fuji. There are a lot more interesting things in Tokyo. One day will be tough!
I land at NRT on 9/3 at 3pm and take off to ORD on 9/4 at 415pm. |
Originally Posted by ArizonaRoadWarrior
(Post 13539611)
lots of useful stuff
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Originally Posted by gsforfree
(Post 14219612)
I guess one day is misleading.
I land at NRT on 9/3 at 3pm and take off to ORD on 9/4 at 415pm. I always use the Airport Limousine Bus when I travel to Tokyo and here’s the link: http://www.limousinebus.co.jp/en/ |
Originally Posted by fsfguy
(Post 14173247)
Just remember not to brush your teeth with the tap water. And for the people who approach to sell you stuff, just say, bu yao, pron.
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