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thesaints Apr 28, 2009 12:57 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11649627)
I'm willing to talk to CDC. I still don't talk to TSA.

Spiff, that's one of those cases where your individual right to privacy damages everybody else.

bocastephen Apr 28, 2009 1:39 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11649627)
I'm willing to talk to CDC. I still don't talk to TSA.

I wouldn't talk to the CDC either - they can have you forcibly quarantined.

I would not answer these questions truthfully at the border, but I would voluntarily keep myself away from other people to avoid spreading anything. I don't need the government to know or monitor my health status - it's none of their business, provided I take appropriate precautions to avoid contaminating others.

thesaints Apr 28, 2009 2:18 am

..and I commend you for that!
You have to recognize that not everybody has the same civic sense as you, though.
Also, sometimes, you might not be knowledgeable enough and be aware of what's going on with your health...

Spiff Apr 28, 2009 6:51 am


Originally Posted by thesaints (Post 11656467)
Spiff, that's one of those cases where your individual right to privacy damages everybody else.

I said I *would* talk to CDC.

I refuse to talk to TSA. They're as unqualified to do health screenings as they are to do "security" screenings. My silence inconveniences no one.

Lumpy Apr 28, 2009 9:01 am

I have told EVERYONE here for YEARS not to try to teach pigs to sing, and now look! How on EARTH did they think they could get all those pigs across the border without masks, anyhow?

My, how time flu...

thesaints Apr 28, 2009 11:26 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11657354)
I said I *would* talk to CDC.

I refuse to talk to TSA. They're as unqualified to do health screenings as they are to do "security" screenings. My silence inconveniences no one.

Except that CDC qualified personnel has to be present at every point of entry...wait, maybe they can hire unqualified people in a rush, to cover all those vacant positions. That reminds me of something... :)

Spiff Apr 28, 2009 11:28 am


Originally Posted by thesaints (Post 11659026)
Except that CDC qualified personnel has to be present at every point of entry...wait, maybe they can hire unqualified people in a rush, to cover all those vacant positions. That reminds me of something... :)

It sure does! :D

Superguy Apr 28, 2009 11:38 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11650235)
That's how I train 'em at SAT.

That's good that you do.

However, the same point still stands from when you were here the last time: not everyone does things the way they do in SAT or Bartworld.

GUWonder Apr 28, 2009 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 11656576)
I wouldn't talk to the CDC either - they can have you forcibly quarantined.

An associate's relative was informed of that just yesterday. He turned up at some designated place to get checked out for the "swine flu" as part of what he thought was his civic duty after having gotten quite sick while around Quintana Roo in Mexico last month and displaying flu symptoms. Not only did he submit to the Q-tip swab or whatever they stuck deep up his nose enough for it to hurt at least some, they also wanted to charge him for self-reporting and getting tested upon their request. They released him given he was at the trail end of whatever illness he had picked up while in Mexico but not until after getting him concerned about a possible involuntary quarantine.

This swine flu is probably going to amount to just another SARS-like hysteria that carries on while thousands of more people die in car accidents every day than die of this flu over the course of this month.

Superguy Apr 28, 2009 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 11659650)
An associate's relative was informed of that just yesterday. He turned up at some designated place to get checked out for the "swine flu" as part of what he thought was his civic duty after having gotten quite sick while around Quintana Roo in Mexico last month and displaying flu symptoms. Not only did he submit to the Q-tip swab or whatever they stuck deep up his nose enough for it to hurt at least some, they also wanted to charge him for self-reporting and getting tested upon their request. They released him given he was at the trail end of whatever illness he had picked up while in Mexico but not until after getting him concerned about a possible involuntary quarantine.

No good deed goes unpunished. :rolleyes:

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 28, 2009 9:06 pm

Speaking of swine, it appears that an entire planeload on Airtran inbound from Mexico was detained at BWI tonight after the crew noted 2 people who seemed sick....

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1663213

"Out of an abundance of caution....."

KathrynFlyingAway Apr 28, 2009 10:02 pm

This time will they stop the dangerous type of hold?
 

Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 11662256)
Speaking of swine, it appears that an entire planeload on Airtran inbound from Mexico was detained at BWI tonight after the crew noted 2 people who seemed sick....

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1663213

"Out of an abundance of caution....."

Where were they detained- inside or outside of the plane?

Anyone else remember how during SARS there were cases when airplanes landed with a potentially sick passenger, and they'd hold all the passengers INSIDE THE PLANE while checking it out? And they didn't immediately run boxes of N95 masks, protective eyewear and gowns on board either.

I was then (and through memory, am now again) angry for all the other passengers trapped with the sick person. I've spent time visiting a person hospitalized with MRSA- even with the disposable covers etc., there was still a danger of transmission, but then I was volunteering to visit. To be trapped in a seat near a person-of-illness with the authorities not letting you move away? That's just wrong.

I understand the need to screen the one potentially sick passenger. I understand why they might need to isolate all passengers from the rest of the airport, sure. Build a screening zone, and let everyone out so they can stand as far apart from each other as is possible. But the first person to board the isolated plane better have a box of masks, gloves, gowns and SaniZide wipes.

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 28, 2009 10:24 pm


Originally Posted by KathrynFlyingAway (Post 11662477)
Where were they detained- inside or outside of the plane?

The article says "held on the tarmac"

Scubatooth Apr 28, 2009 11:07 pm

I just got done traveling and canceled some travels in the US due to the risk (refunds pending). That and I have been advised to limit my travels for the next couple of weeks as this is likely to spread quickly.

Not much will change at work as were always on watch out for persons on isolation, but i will be keeping a N95 mask handy till CDC calls all clear

I was advised that close to where i live there are a couple of confirmed cases and more suspected. A school and daycare have been closed while they decon the facilities The counts in the media are off and the numbers they are projecting are low.

Everyone needs to be vigilant and keep your hands washed, and put a mask on anyone that has a cough.

N830MH Apr 29, 2009 1:18 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 11659650)

This swine flu is probably going to amount to just another SARS-like hysteria that carries on while thousands of more people die in car accidents every day than die of this flu over the course of this month.

Yes, I remember what happening lot of those people who cause of death with SARS in Asia. So the situation is going on lot of people who gotten very sick. It was more than 200 people death due to swine-flu. So homeland security need to have more precautions with those people who does not have sick with swine-flu. So they won't let the passengers onboard the aircraft. So they will have need to be check with doctor to make sure its everything okay. So this is too much vulnerable lot of those people who have any diagnosis before. It might to be very carefully out there in between Mexico or USA. I believe there is enough evidence some of those few people who gotten swine-flu. The CDC will have to screening for every passengers before they are allowed onboard the aircraft. The safety must to be screening who is not have any health illness. I think they will have to get flu-shot before they are clearance enter into USA. I think it would best time try to stay home and don't go anywhere to see these people will causing lot of disease problems. I think it should getting better to stop the flu-swine.


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