LOL!!!

Being somewhat OCD, I might actually enjoy this, providing you didn't hold my head under for tooo long! ;)

Hmm mark aninitfunny loss due to being infected with MRSA may not have come from a CP, but her remarks where pointed to neofthosepeopleyouloveto hate for the caviler attitude in the post.

Then if you would bother to read this thread (page one link i posted) or do some searching you would find that I did have some booties cultured from a trip last year that came up MRSA positive. That same trip I also ended up with a nasty skin infection that cause all of the skin off my hands to come off, including calusses that had been there for 10 plus years as well, please tell me that was a figment of my imagination.

TSA Waterboarding: The next layer of security, as recommended by Kip's secret intelligence sources, to keep you safe from those threatening America's freedom. :rolleyes:

I go through airport WTMDs far more than 4 times a week (heck many travel days it is 4+ times in the same day), and I bet lots of other FTers do too.

I know I'm not the only person to be denied the use of disposables at a US airport checkpoint. I used to carry some with me, but now don't bother because it is more hassle than it's worth. I'd like to be part of the less than 1/2 a percent you refer to. I'm concerned enough to want to.

Unable to remove shoes for medical reasons is, apparently a "mobility disability." http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1371.shtm

From the website: "Let the Security Officer know if your shoes cannot be removed because of your disability so that alternative security procedures can be applied to your shoes."

I don't see that there's any reason to not supply such a barrier. I just don't know if there is enough public interest in such a service to get serious attention for the idea. Keep trying, in the meantime, bring your own barrier. If asked, say that you think it's necessary for your health.

I'm sure it could be fit into the budget. The question is, what would HQ remove from the budget to pay for the paper liners?

"General - Fecal coliform is a concern but no where near as high on the list as the superbugs are, plus FC is killable with simple alchoal, where as MRSA, VRE, and others require much more.

As for how its transmitted thats easy simple contact can spread germs from one surface to another so if shoes have it, and placed on the belt, its not to far off for it in the future to be passed onto the surfaces of the bin.

are you sure its a non-issue? because its probably like most things dealing with TSA with obsfication of the facts and sweeping it under the rug things never come to light unless someone really digs."

I'm not sure how out of my very long post you zero'd in one this one particular specific example, but I think you should re-read it and use this as an example to prove my point. There are germs of all kinds everywhere, always. Every time you're around another person, you will be exposed to germs from them. Should you choose to date, this will be particularly acute. Unless you choose to sit in your house, clean constantly, and avoid any kind of human/animal contact, you will always have to worry about this. Even if you do the aforementioned things, you'll still be surrounded by germs. In fact, many of them live inside your own body. In the case where this bothers you enough that you carry around your own plastic sheets to put in bins where your laptop goes, you should probably seek some therapy.
Great suggestion though. Now we'll have to wait even longer and pay more to watch as people start lining their bins.
Why can't the Tub Stackers do that while you are already waiting your turn in the line? No extra waiting.

"Because their the ones making us put our laptops into there filthy bins. Duh."

Deal with it. Bring your own bag. It's your phobia. I don't want to pay for your craziness.

"Without agreeing that this is a phobia, I think I covered this in a previous post about bringing and using a disposable plastic bag of my own."

It's a phobia. Don't believe me? Do this. Talk to your doctor. Tell him/her that you are so worried about germs that you bring plastic bags with you to put in the bins at the airport that your laptop goes through. You are so worried about this contact with your laptop and the bin that you have posted on internet websites about it. See what they say. Alternatively, you can read my posts and get the general idea.

Just did as your suggesting. I emailed a doctor friend shes a MD general practice and sent her you're post cut and pasted and heres part of what she wrote me back. "Sounds like sensible precautions to me. No, not crazy at all! The trays should be sanitized frequently or some trays set aside for shoes. Pretty gross."

So theres at least one medical profesionnal who doesnt agree with you. :rolleyes:

No. :p

http://women.webmd.com/features/shoe...-health-hazard

I guess you're not sensible enough to realize that a friend isn't very likely to tell you that you honestly have an issue. It's not socially acceptable. You have a pretty clear case of misophobia. That you are thinking that much about this that you emailed someone you know about this seems a pretty clear indication that you realize you have a problem.

Have you taken to covering yourself in tissues and living on chocolate bars just yet?

Where to begin in responding to this asinine post?

The shoe carnival is unnecessary. TSA has a serious shoe fetish thanks to one idiot Islamowacko that El Al spotted a mile away. If TSA were reasonable and intelligent in how it went about screening passengers, it would not require all passengers to remove their shoes before getting on airliners. If TSA were anything other than a knee jerk workfare program, it would have spurred the development of an efficient machine to scan shoes for the presence of truly dangerous items, i.e. items that could harm an airliner. Walking in socks or barefoot across floors is avoidable. Touching door handles, overhead bin latches, and seat back buttons are basically implicit in traveling on an airliner.

As to bacteria and viruses, the immune system of a healthy person can handle moderate levels of microbes that have been encountered before. This is the antigen-antibody response of the functioning immune system. Unfortunately, given the nature of airports, germs from all over the world are deposited at airports. Some of these germs are exotic, and the vast majority of Americans have not been exposed to these germs before. Think back a few years to SARS. An outbreak of SARS occurred in Toronto, and as I recall scientists concluded that travelers from China brought it to Toronto. An earlier poster referred to a superbug that soldiers returning from the Middle East are bringing to the United States. American civilians almost certainly have not been exposed to this superbug. It is entirely conceivable that a soldier could have a sore or cut on the sole(s) of his/her feet, spread this superbug on the floor at a checkpoint, and then the superbug could infect other passengers at the checkpoint.

A risk/benefit/likelihood of injury/severity of injury analysis should be employed regarding this issue. Balance the risk/likelihood of a shoe bomb and the damage one would cause against the risk/likelihood of an epidemic, or even a few infections, and the possible injuries caused by infection at checkpoints. This type of analysis is sorely lacking by the current incarnation of TSA/DHS, which prefers to employ simplistic policies without any judgment on the part of screeners and supervisors.

When the govenment requires us to put laptops in bins and remove our shoes, then the government should also ensure that the bins and floors are sanitary. This is not asking the government for a handout, but rather to hold the government responsible for minimizing possible damages from a situation that it caused. By the way, I have used the newspaper under my laptop, and a Captain America TSO removed the newspaper, I guess so he could be positive nothing was hidden under the newspaper.

Patrick,

That's it? You call my post asinine and then you proceed to talk about things that are mostly not even in the scope of the discussion here? Perhaps next time instead of insulting what I've written, you might want to spend more time on topic actually discussing the things we're talking about here. This is not a thread about whether or not shoe screenings should be done. There are dozens of threads on here about that. I highly suggest hitting the Search button and you can go in there and post away. The off-topic arguments you've presented are more asinine than anything else written in the thread.

Yes, I remember SARS. I had a friend visiting Japan and he found it endlessly funny telling people he had SAAARRSSee. I remember the hysteria around it. I remember people talking about the bird flu. I know of the influenza at the start of the century that most people here probably know nothing about. I'm perfectly aware of where the flu virus comes from and it doesn't change anything that I've written in any of my posts here at all in any way.

I'm not sure where soldiers come into play here, but did you notice there was no mass public outcry from government officials, health organizations, hospitals, doctors, etc, with the advent of having to remove shoes? There was nothing. The only people who really care about this are the quasi-OCD germaphobes. I say quasi, because anyone who really cares this much about the issue wouldn't put themselves into an unsanitary airport filled with people from all over and then go into an unsanitary plane in which people share air and cough, sneeze, breathe and poop all in the same recycled space. Do you really think that an unsantized bin where you put your laptop is the real threat to your health or is it some guy who has the flu but is flying anyways, taking a mean dump in the back in the space that shares the same air that you breath and then not washing his hands and meandering back to sit by you.

Anyone without OCD and with common sense has already done this risk analysis. Apparently you have too since you got on the damn plane. When's the last time you heard someone tell you that they don't fly because putting their laptop in an unsanitized bin is too risky. Stop and think about that. I mean really, think how stupid that sounds.

The government takes into consideration health effects of going through screening. If it were an issue, particularly in the land of litigation, it would be taken care of as it would have to be. I don't want to wait in a longer line because someone with untreated OCD insists that the walkway be mopped with a sanitizing solution long enough to kill any bacteria that might have come along. I also don't want the cost and delay of having to increase the number of bins and putting them all through a sanitizing process for no real benefit.

Of course the TSA took away your newspaper, the laptop goes in alone. I should point out that, like EVERYTHING else, there are germs on your newspaper. You could take along some wipes that can sanitize, but in the end, you have a mental illness that is treatable. Perhaps you should do some reading around the last days of Howard Hughes if you feel that you don't have an issue. How does retirement in seclusion while covered with tissues and eating chocolate bars sound to you. Go see a doctor and get some treatment. There are many things that should bother you about flying, the laptop bin is not one of them.

Agreed, but when I don't agree with my doctor's recommendation, I tell him or her so. My body, my responsibility. Besides, that is why they call it a medical practice.

As I said, if you are concerned, stay home and whine about how life is unfair. There is nowhere, NOWHERE on Earth where every little whiney detail of every person will be mert 100% of the time. Me, I'm sick of the idiots who drive off with a HOT coffee in their crotch and then sues because they were too stupid to know it has hot. DUH - HOT COFFEE HERE, not nicely warm to toast your noogie. :td: :D

I'm sick of idiots that don't research. :rolleyes:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

Black and white thinking with poor grasp of basical logic. Risk of dirty TSA tub is easily adresed. Risk of flu passanger or smelly passanger isn not unless dont fly which isnt the point. Wityh you're weak logical argament your saying leave TSA tub dirty becuase later on your near smelly flu passanger. These risks are addative that's you're failed to grasp with you're weak logical argament even child knows that.

Doesnt sound as stupid as you're calling passangers with care about germs germaphobs or OCD people or as stupid as you're calling the plane the damn plane to make you're point which has weak grasp of logical. Why are you so upset alot that some passangers care more about germs that you care why isnt it allowed by you.

Your right TSA is so compatent at evarything else their must have carefully considared this too hahahah sorry freind not in the real world maybe where your live.

Yeah yeah just alike all other TSA problam's fixed hahahah.

Ah here come the real reason. Not about germs at all its about you're conveniance your most importent passanger in the line let other passangers get sick even if their want to take care but you must not be delay your to importent.

Obviuosley you mean no real benefit to you so not matter what other passangers want's right?

Obviuosley you think you are talking down to inferior passangers when you're state the obviuos there are germs on you're newspaper. Lots of smart people reading this don't need to be talked down. I am scientest I knew newspaper have germs. Thanks you for you're obviuos information.

In the end, you insulting passangers who just want's to not catch germs whys it up to you and why call them mental illness?

Go catch all the germs make you happy but nice you stop calling other passangers mental ill becuase you dont want to wait longer in smurf line. Typical ME ME ME ME attatude downfal of America.