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gitsumjunkmail Jul 7, 2008 10:31 pm

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Originally Posted by youreadyfreddie
If some creep accosts me in a bathroom I'm going to shout at the top of my lungs, "GET AWAY FROM ME! YOU'RE NOT MY DADDY!"

He does indeed sound like a rookie if he is a LEO.

That would be rad to see. I hope that I am in the can when you do it!

iluv2fly Jul 7, 2008 10:42 pm


Originally Posted by gitsumjunkmail (Post 9997950)
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That would be rad to see. I hope that I am in the can when you do it!

Hopefully not polishing your own knife in there...

We Will Never Forget Jul 7, 2008 10:45 pm

You guys are missing the point. If someone thinks they see a knife, you can bank on a terminal dump. How many people are going to get screwed then? Fortunately it didn't get that far.

Spiff Jul 7, 2008 11:20 pm


Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 9996328)
I've seen plenty of people killed or injured by knives. How is this a non-issue. The LEO thought he saw a weapon. He stopped the individual, identified himself, verified the item wasn't a weapon and sent him on his way. No big deal.

And I've seen plenty of people who had been whacked by other instruments, none of which I get worked up over. :rolleyes:

It's a stupid waste of resources. :td:

Spiff Jul 7, 2008 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 9997881)
So you'll be the first one to step up and confront someone who has a knife on an aircraft? Good for you.

No, if I see someone with a knife on an aircraft, I will ignore it.

However, if I see someone with a knife or any other instrument, on an aircraft or elsewhere, attempting to injure or threaten someone, then I will act appropriately.

People legally carry knives and far more lethal items all over the place everyday. Just because one is in an airport is no excuse to soil oneself over such items. That's pure cowardice.

elsidity Jul 7, 2008 11:45 pm

What really bothered me about the encounter is that the LEO never verbally identified himself. If he had said, "excuse me sir, I'm Federal Air Marshal So and SO, or I'm detective So and So of Port Authority Police, I need to speak with you for a moment" and then had let me see the badge for more than a second, I would have been okay with it. Instead, he was clearly trying not to draw any attention to himself so he did the badge flip and the somewhat threatening "can we talk" routine. At the very least, the guy needs more training in dealing with the public.

docmonkey Jul 8, 2008 12:21 am


Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 9997881)
So you'll be the first one to step up and confront someone who has a knife on an aircraft? Good for you.

Huh? Aren't you aware that flight attendants hand out metal knives to passengers so they can eat their meals?

Does someone need to confront them?

YCTTSFM Jul 8, 2008 1:31 am

pocket knives don't kill people, people kill people
 

Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 9996328)
I've seen plenty of people killed or injured by knives. How is this a non-issue.

Wow. You must work in 1) a prison, 2) an ER, or 3) the movie industry?

Do you worry about all the folks in the grocery store, at a football game, or on commuter trains who carry knives? Or even keys? Those things could poke your eye out.

For 20-odd years my beloved Swiss Army knife and I flew together to four continents, plus domestically. Hard salami, cheese and fruit were often disassembled through our partnership, but no one (including me) was ever harmed. Then, in the mid-90s paranoia after TWA 800, I decided to leave it home during a three-day trip with tight connections, and burglars got it.

I replaced it with the same model and flew with it in my carry-on until after 9/11. That one was replaced by a TSA love note in my checked baggage sometime in 2005.

I feel so much safer now.

YCTTSFM Jul 8, 2008 2:32 am

to extrapolate from other posts...
 

Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 9997881)
So you'll be the first one to step up and confront someone who has a knife on an aircraft? Good for you.

On transoceanic flights that still have meal service, there's no need to share.

I have no objection to harming or killing someone who is on the verge of killing others, which has happened before aboard aircraft in flight (WN 1763, FedEx 705, for example) if that's the only way to control them. But if s/he can be controlled nonlethally, as Richard Reid was, that's a preferable legal and moral outcome.

If someone tries to use a knife as a weapon in a passenger cabin during flight, I would prefer other pax not be disarmed—in case the flight-blanket-over-the-head-from-behind-followed-by-dogpile-grounding-assailant-in-aisle technique is not feasible under the circumstances.

Stripping all pax of normal everyday tools leaves no one safer.

Superguy Jul 8, 2008 7:27 am


Originally Posted by xyzzy (Post 9997545)
"In this post September 11th world" (how I hate that phrase as an excuse, but it plays nicely here :p) A knife is not a credible weapon in attempting to take over an airplane. We have locked cockpit doors and SOP that no longer dictates cooperation with hijackers. That's not to mention a planeload of passengers that will (and have) killed people deemed to be a threat. Of course, there might also be some ballast ...er ... I mean air marshals on board as well.

I had a metal serrated knife in C on AC last week. Guess everyone eating dinner was a threat to the plane ... :rolleyes:

Superguy Jul 8, 2008 7:29 am


Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 9997881)
So you'll be the first one to step up and confront someone who has a knife on an aircraft? Good for you.

Guess we should jump those dining in C and F on flights then :rolleyes:

We Will Never Forget Jul 8, 2008 7:33 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought round-tipped butter knives were never prohibited anyway.

Superguy Jul 8, 2008 8:03 am

Not all of them are round tipped. Some, like UA served plastic silver knives.

Good Guy Jul 8, 2008 8:50 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9998091)
No, if I see someone with a knife on an aircraft, I will ignore it.

However, if I see someone with a knife or any other instrument, on an aircraft or elsewhere, attempting to injure or threaten someone, then I will act appropriately.

I hope so.


People legally carry knives and far more lethal items all over the place everyday. Just because one is in an airport is no excuse to soil oneself over such items. That's pure cowardice.
The LEO was doing his job. He thought he saw a prohibited weapon. He stopped the OP, deemed it was not a weapon and sent him on his way. How is this cowardice?

Good Guy Jul 8, 2008 8:52 am


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 9999301)
Guess we should jump those dining in C and F on flights then :rolleyes:

Give me a break. There is a big difference from someone buttering their roll and holding a knife to a FA's throat in an attempt to gain entry into the flight deck. But, if makes you feel superior to belittle me, go ahead.


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