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Trigger for Customs Search
I often travel overseas on business but usually for less than a week at a time. I know how to pack efficiently and fit it all in a briefcase and roller bag so I never, ever, check luggage...Too many bad experiences there. On my return to the States, I'm often greeted by the customs officer who's surprised that I'm not carrying more luggage. Usually, it's not a problem but my last trip was longer than usual (10 days) and this time the luggage question was asked in a very skeptical manner, my answer met with disbelief, and it was followed by a detailed search and questioning. The process added about 15 minutes to my arrival and negated about half the benefit I usually get by not checking my bag, so I'm trying to figure out if I did something I could avoid in the future. I'm always very respectful to the immigration/customs officers and never offer any sass or lame humor, just the facts. Any idea from the group whether the lack of checked baggage on an extended trip is one of the major triggers for a search?
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Originally Posted by IStream
(Post 8794385)
I often travel overseas on business but usually for less than a week at a time. I know how to pack efficiently and fit it all in a briefcase and roller bag so I never, ever, check luggage...Too many bad experiences there. On my return to the States, I'm often greeted by the customs officer who's surprised that I'm not carrying more luggage. Usually, it's not a problem but my last trip was longer than usual (10 days) and this time the luggage question was asked in a very skeptical manner, my answer met with disbelief, and it was followed by a detailed search and questioning. The process added about 15 minutes to my arrival and negated about half the benefit I usually get by not checking my bag, so I'm trying to figure out if I did something I could avoid in the future. I'm always very respectful to the immigration/customs officers and never offer any sass or lame humor, just the facts. Any idea from the group whether the lack of checked baggage on an extended trip is one of the major triggers for a search?
My anecdotes: For a long time I have traveledd back and forth from Europe to the States and the States to Europe for a week or two at time (depending on where I am "living" and working that part of the year). Seeing as I have clothes, and goods in both locations I don't travel with much baggage and I never get searched. In fact I have never even been asked why I only have a carry-on. Not sure if travelling on a US Official (brown) passport matters there, but I have not been searched when using the blue tourist one either. Of course it could be the person or the day of the week or the phase of Mars, the way some policy is written. As an aside, the only time it is a problem for me is on questioning in Europe before boarding a US bound flight using a US passport or NATO ID..."Where did you pack your bags" I answer "At home" and they freak out often.... Ciao, FH |
I think you've answered your own question. I tend to travel quite heavy (big suitcase, duffel with dirty laundry and a laptop backpack) and I've never had any issues. So I suspect that traveling light tends to make you "different", as well as I suspect that you're the first one out the door. That gives CBP a little more time to look you over and make a call because there is not a line of several hundred behind you.
There may be other aspects in how you're dressed or perhaps some age or racial profiling. A friend of mine used to do MRs to AMS quite frequently. He would take a very small gym bag with a change of underwear, some toiletries and a couple books. I asked him how many times he got the rubber glove treatment on return from an overnight to AMS. He told me never -- he didn't fit the profile of someone who was a drug mule. I always found that hard to believe, but he was an overweight, balding middle-aged white guy. (Come to think of it, that's me as well.) |
Originally Posted by p1cunnin
(Post 8794446)
I think you've answered your own question. I tend to travel quite heavy (big suitcase, duffel with dirty laundry and a laptop backpack) and I've never had any issues. So I suspect that traveling light tends to make you "different", as well as I suspect that you're the first one out the door. That gives CBP a little more time to look you over and make a call because there is not a line of several hundred behind you.
There may be other aspects in how you're dressed or perhaps some age or racial profiling. A friend of mine used to do MRs to AMS quite frequently. He would take a very small gym bag with a change of underwear, some toiletries and a couple books. I asked him how many times he got the rubber glove treatment on return from an overnight to AMS. He told me never -- he didn't fit the profile of someone who was a drug mule. I always found that hard to believe, but he was an overweight, balding middle-aged white guy. (Come to think of it, that's me as well.) |
Originally Posted by IStream
(Post 8794385)
Usually, it's not a problem but my last trip was longer than usual (10 days) and this time the luggage question was asked in a very skeptical manner, my answer met with disbelief, and it was followed by a detailed search and questioning.
In any case, I'd guess that you were just randomly selected for some additional screening. IME, both immigration and customs will often act like you have something to be nervous about just to see if it will provoke a reaction. I don't think that act necessarily has any basis in fact. Mrs. hockeyguy and I (different last names) have even been challenged as to whether we're actually married -- seemed like a weird thing to challenge us on as I'm not aware of any particular benefit we would get from pretending to be married. Plus, I'm sure immigration knows full well that we live at the same address and they can easily see that we've traveled together for years. With all that, I have to assume it was just a "probing" technique to see how we would react. We've never had 15 minutes of screening, but a couple times they've taken maybe 3-4 minutes to ask some extra questions. In short, you probably didn't do anything to trigger the extra search, and even if you did, it's probably not the luggage (and I doubt I&C will tell you what it was). I'd chalk it up to bad luck and I wouldn't worry about it for the future. |
Originally Posted by hockeyguy
(Post 8794489)
Does customs know how long you were out of the country? I thought only immigration had that information in front of them, but they don't see how much checked luggage you have. Or does immigration write something about the length of your trip on the bottom of the customs form?
In short, you probably didn't do anything to trigger the extra search, and even if you did, it's probably not the luggage (and I doubt I&C will tell you what it was). I'd chalk it up to bad luck and I wouldn't worry about it for the future. |
Normally you should hand your declaration form over to the Customs agent as your are departing the baggage claim area (after immigration)
That form has your trip details (at least what you choose to write) and length on it. Ciao, FH |
Originally Posted by hockeyguy
(Post 8794489)
Does customs know how long you were out of the country? I thought only immigration had that information in front of them, but they don't see how much checked luggage you have. Or does immigration write something about the length of your trip on the bottom of the customs form?
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
(Post 8795558)
Seems like immigration and customs are blurring the line of who does what. Recently in DTW the immigration guy, while waiting to give me back my passport, asks if I have any alcohol or tobacco with me. I used to think this was the customs question to ask. I must have answered "no" correctly :rolleyes: and was sent on my way.
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Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian
(Post 8794587)
Normally you should hand your declaration form over to the Customs agent as your are departing the baggage claim area (after immigration)
That form has your trip details (at least what you choose to write) and length on it. Unless Immigration writes the trip details in the "For Official Use Only" section at the bottom (I've never looked to see what they write there), the customs official wouldn't know anything besides where you've traveled. I'm sure they could pull it up on their computers for questioning, but IME, the CBP agents never type anything into a computer when I hand them the form -- they just take the form from me, give it once-over (sometimes not even that), and then wave me on. I doubt they know anything about my trip besides where I've been when/if they decide to do further questioning. |
Originally Posted by IStream
(Post 8794506)
My assumption was that once they key it in to the computer, they've got all the immigration data.
Originally Posted by Flaflyer
(Post 8795558)
Seems like immigration and customs are blurring the line of who does what.
Originally Posted by DevilDog438
(Post 8796036)
From my experiences in Customs (having seen CBP officers perform a similar procedure at both IAH and ATL in the past year to other pax), you would have been told to report to a secondary security office, escorted to the baggage claim area, then escorted to a screening area for detailed inspections.
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Originally Posted by hockeyguy
(Post 8796536)
I'm looking at the CBP declaration right now, and as I thought, the only trip details you fill in are a) countries visited; and b) flight #.
Unless Immigration writes the trip details in the "For Official Use Only" section at the bottom (I've never looked to see what they write there), the customs official wouldn't know anything besides where you've traveled. I'm sure they could pull it up on their computers for questioning, but IME, the CBP agents never type anything into a computer when I hand them the form -- they just take the form from me, give it once-over (sometimes not even that), and then wave me on. I doubt they know anything about my trip besides where I've been when/if they decide to do further questioning. They could never know exactly for everyone as plenty of people leave the country with no airline record: military, driving, some boats, etc. Sometimes these people will fly back in through customs even though they did not leave a pax manifest flight, so obviously they can't know for everyone. Ciao, FH |
It's been many years since Customs has asked to search my stuff despite an average of a dozen or more international arrivals each year. Must be livin' right.
D'Oh! Now I'll probably be strip searched next week. :mad: :D |
I always travel light and I haven't had problems at USA customs any time. While I've had run-ins with immigration/customs at many places (incl USA), I can't think of a single time it was due to not enough luggage - it is my odd itineraries that draws attention. Admittedly I haven't yet travelled a day trip with no carry on - even if I don't need much I will always bring a bag/small backpack so it doesn't look so bad.
OTOH when I have been stopped I am asked if I have everything and sometimes they express surprise. A simple explanation of packing light to avoid checking bags works every time. |
Big Brother is definately watching you.
CBP and DHS employs: Advance Passenger Information System (APIS), which provides: Full name (last name, first name, middle name if applicable) Gender Date of Birth Nationality Country of residence Travel document type (normally passport) Travel document number (expiry date and country of issue for passport) Address of the first night spent in the U.S. (Not required for U.S. nationals, Legal Permanent Residents, or Alien Residents of the U.S. entering the U.S.) and Automated Targeting System which provides Date of reservation Date(s) of intended travel Other names on PNR Number of travelers on PNR Address All forms of payment information Billing address Contact telephone numbers All travel itinerary for specific PNR Frequent flyer information Travel agency Travel agent Code share PNR information Travel status of passenger Split/Divided PNR information Identifiers for free tickets One-way tickets Email address Ticketing field information ATFQ fields General remarks Ticket number Seat number Date of ticket issuance Any collected APIS information No show history Number of bags Bag tag numbers Go show information Number of bags on each segment Social Security information Voluntary/involuntary upgrades Received from information All historical changes to the PNR so if you get past this ...then I guess they are just checking to see if you have any vegetables or meat in your bags. |
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