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pbjag Apr 27, 2007 8:04 am


Originally Posted by CarpeDiem (Post 7649142)
I do not begrudge US Air at all, and will continue flying them without hesitation

This is unbelievably good-natured of you, but you may want to reconsider. I am willing to wager there are notes about the incident (from the FAs point of view) in your USAir FF records now....

redbeard911 Apr 27, 2007 8:13 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 7649214)
I'm reminded of the airplane scene from "Anger Management" when the Adam Sandler character can't say anything without it being misconstrued as hostility until he's finally booted off the plane for air rage. Yet as the OP demonstrates, truth is stranger than fiction.

I had the same thought.

What a sad, sad, experience. Thanks for sharing, OP.

bocastephen Apr 27, 2007 8:15 am


Originally Posted by CarpeDiem (Post 7649142)
...

I do not begrudge US Air at all, and will continue flying them without hesitation -- this only reflects on the human nature of the flight attendants, and I'm afraid the sad, sorry state of the safety systems that have evolved to 'protect' us.

I very strongly suggest you talk to legal counsel about possible recourse against US Airways. You should not permit this to go unchallenged. You're all over the government radar map now and it's all because a bunch of bad-attitude FAs wanted to pick a fight after one of them acted like a childish dumbass.

Personally, I would stop at nothing until these FAs were pink-slipped, and only then would I drop my pursuit of US. I would file a complaint with the FAA's ACDO office in Orlando, detailing the FA's failure to follow regulated standards in their delivery of the mandatory pre-flight safety briefing, cite USAirways for permitting a flight to depart after failing to deliver the pre-flight safety briefing and request the FAA ACDO investigate the crew members of this flight. The letter to the FAA should focus only on the actions of the FA which resulted in failing to deliver the pre-flight safety briefing - don't add anything else to that correspondance, as it's not relevant to the FAA.

I would attach a copy of that FAA complaint to a written complaint that should be filed with USAirways which can contain the balance of the details - not sent to their customer service group, but addressed to the company President. They will take the FAA complain *very* seriously.

If the US Attorney who met your flight seemed easy-going and friendly, and he left his contact information, you might also consider dropping him a note to see if he would consider charges against the FAs for false reporting - and ask if you are able to press any charges against them.

If I was on this flight and closer to the situation, I would be doing it myself.

The FAs represent the company and until their behavior is punished, I would hold US 100% responsible for making things right.

On what day did this happen? 4/26 or 4/27?

Texas_Dawg Apr 27, 2007 8:28 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 7649214)
I'm reminded of the airplane scene from "Anger Management" when the Adam Sandler character can't say anything without it being misconstrued as hostility until he's finally booted off the plane for air rage. Yet as the OP demonstrates, truth is stranger than fiction.

US Airways just opened here in San Antonio a couple of months ago, and it appears to have a number of problems in the customer service arena.

Do you believe the flight attendants would have behaved differently had they not had the option of calling in some people to force the two passengers off the plane?

PresRDC Apr 27, 2007 8:40 am

So the FBI/TSA told you that if you suspect crew drug use, you should jsut write a complaint letter after the fact? Crazy!

Also, I doubt they called Al Gonzales. Perhaps it was the local U.S. Attorney.

rufflesinc Apr 27, 2007 9:10 am


Originally Posted by PresRDC (Post 7649375)
So the FBI/TSA told you that if you suspect crew drug use, you should jsut write a complaint letter after the fact? Crazy!

and crew includes the pilots? eek!

zoenkie_25 Apr 27, 2007 9:23 am

That was the fastest safety presentation I have heard in 3.5 million miles of traveling, was she on speed or something?"
The man quickly clarified that he never said that she was on drugs, and for the first time I spoke up, emphasizing that he NEVER did accuse nor imply that anyone was on drugs, I repeated his analogy, dissecting it to show no accusation was made, and further pointed out that in my opinion nothing in his tone nor mannerism even implied this – "

I also work in the "service" industry, I would be very offended if a comment like that were made about me. And I think most other people for that matter too. That's a pretty serious allegation, and in my opinion, the OP kinda lost some credibilaty after that quote in my book.

Just those too qoutes alone made me reply, so give me a chance to finish reading before anyone jumps on me.

Wally Bird Apr 27, 2007 9:26 am


Originally Posted by CarpeDiem (Post 7647813)
He started off his conversation making the comment, "That was the fastest safety presentation I have heard in 3.5 million miles of traveling, was she on speed or something?"
....
The man quickly clarified that he never said that she was on drugs, and for the first time I spoke up, emphasizing that he NEVER did accuse nor imply that anyone was on drugs,

So which was it then ?

Sounds like just desserts to me. If you can't say something sensible, say nothing.

zoenkie_25 Apr 27, 2007 9:29 am

the last I heard.......the generic word "speed" is a nice sounding name for a certain illegal narcotic. just suggesting the thought out loud to somebody you don't know (doesn't matter who it is) is in my opinion, rude. to me, that is a pretty obvious accusation.

rufflesinc Apr 27, 2007 9:31 am


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 7649662)
So which was it then ?

Sounds like just desserts to me. If you can't say something sensible, say nothing.

oughta take your own advice @:-)

zoenkie_25 Apr 27, 2007 9:35 am

the word "speed" if associated with illegal narcotics. To add to that, "or something" was added to that allegation. If somebody I have never seen in my entire life asks somebody else a question like that, I would be offended! Being some kind of "expert" on attitude on behavior, he should certainly know better! I'm sure nobody on this board would appreciate somebody asking you if you were "on speed or something".

And yes, this is a sensitive matter because I have seen first hand what drugs do to a person. The worst thing you can think of is having a member of your family falling into the world of drugs.

Besides, it's a matter of manners.

FWAAA Apr 27, 2007 9:49 am

In the name of secuity, flight attendants have been granted (and have grabbed) enought power to seriously disrupt your day. I've seen them use it and attempt to pick fights with passengers. Best to say as little to them as you can. Please, thank you and your meal choice (if in F). Anything else may set them off.

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 27, 2007 9:51 am

Yet another reason to avoid US Air.

WHAT is wrong with this country?

moeve Apr 27, 2007 9:52 am

This just goes to show that many people incl. FA , members of the FBI and some posters here do not comand the english language fully!! Speed it the correct noun discribing how slow or fast and object is. Speed naming the drug is a slang...

whirledtraveler Apr 27, 2007 9:57 am


Originally Posted by CarpeDiem
He started off his conversation making the comment, "That was the fastest safety presentation I have heard in 3.5 million miles of traveling, was she on speed or something?"
....
The man quickly clarified that he never said that she was on drugs, and for the first time I spoke up, emphasizing that he NEVER did accuse nor imply that anyone was on drugs


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 7649662)
So which was it then ?

Asking a question is neither accusing or implying. I'm amazed that people don't understand that.


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