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Originally Posted by tom911
I'd agree with you if there was some other mechanism to make sure drivers are properly licensed. I worked in a city where we chronically stopped people that were unlicensed, or suspended for a variety of reasons (including lack of insurance after being involved in an accident). These are people that shouldn't be behind the wheel to begin with. They're not going to show up at DMV, like you or me would, to renew their drivers license, and if they are suspended their insurance has likely been revoked.
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Originally Posted by Superguy
At least in Maryland, the state will still harass your for insurance even though you turn in your plates before you cancel insurance or bought a car and gave them your insurance policy. I've gotten 2 notices in the last month for cars I either bought or sold. It usually ends up having to fill out an affadavit that you no longer have the car or you have to call your insurance agent and have them send in the paperwork to avoid fines. You're guilty until proven innocent.
They're just idiots. Some years ago, my insurance agent recommended that I switch insurers. I was warned that the NC DMV would immediately harrass me for not having insurance. The one efficient :rolleyes: thing that the NCDMV can do is process insurance canncellation notices. |
As for these checkpoints, there are a number of reasons for them, that the courts have ruled are legal. (DUI, Seatbelts, DL checks, etc) Even in states where they are illegal for the most part they are legal under certain circumstances. For example, in MN, the DUI checkpoints are illegal, but a checkpoint set up to look for a specific vehicle is not. MN has basically said random checkpoints are not ok, but if you know, ahead of time, who you are looking for then they are ok.
Now what to do at the checkpoint(or a straight up stop). In a state where they are legal, only the driver must comply with the officer, initally. The driver must comply with the regulations of the state as it relates to driving. (However, if you are from a state that does not require something that the present state does, then you can most often state that to the officer, such as proof of insurance/registration in the vehicle) If the officers start asking questions or demanding ID from the passengers then there is a question as to whether you have to respond. I personally will not respond to any question presented to me in a car where I am not driving. (exception being at the border, where I am required to so that I can enter the US, Canada or Mexico). There is no requirement that a passenger produce ID or even answer any question. Now the result of doing this is probably going to result in a very very mad officer, and could land the driver in trouble as the cop retaliates. The only thing that you must do is exit the vehicle if the officer instructs you to. If you do not exit the vehicle, odds are they will remove you anyway and you could be charged with interfering. The above is not legal advise and should not be taken as such. |
Originally Posted by tom911
The PD I retired from runs a drivers license checkpoint every few weeks and has been doing it for about a year under a grant program (provides the overtime funds for officers and dispatchers).
Of course, no chance of catching the score of the century without the checkpoints - some kid who forgot to hide his joint before he got to the checkpoint. |
Originally Posted by Doppy
Who pays for these grants?
http://www.ots.ca.gov/grants/default.asp |
Originally Posted by Spiff
Awesome.
Red light cameras and checkpoints should be banned nation-wide. The other bit of news announced yesterday is that they are going to roll out more speed vans: "The vans are equipped with cameras that will shoot video of a license plate of a car being driven over the speed limit. The owner of that car will then automatically receive a ticket in the mail." http://www.kobtv.com/index.cfm?viewe...iewer&id=26820 Just like the red light cameras, the "citations" are civil fines and thus, no points assessed on the vehicle's owner's license. But that also means you have to see some city hall paper pusher to fight the fine...and you know what they say about fighting city hall. EDITED TO ADD http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?ID=16298 The citations are in the mail. What's worse, it turns out that the "civil fine" of $100 you pay to the city for this type of "ticket" is MORE than the $59 you would pay for a speeding ticket issued by an actual police officer!! :mad: And yet, they still won't admit it's a revenue generation scheme :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Spiff
That's private property, mister.
Originally Posted by bocastephen
True, but perhaps the property owners would be willing to allow the checkpoints on their property in exchange for a waiver of liability should their drunken customers get in a wreck...a liability they currently have. Better the issue be targeted at its source than spread out into a major dragnet that affects everyone.
I don't drink, therefore I don't drink and drive - why should my rights be infringed by a checkpoint that is not targeted at me? "Investigators targeting bars for over serving customers intend to add another tool to their belt in coming weeks: They’ll be asking for breath tests from pedestrians. ... any pedestrian approached by an agent and asked to submit a breath test is perfectly within his or her rights to refuse. “Then we send them along their way – so long as there are no other violations,” he said. If however, an individual does submit a breath test that does show a blood-alcohol level of over 0.14, that person won’t be charged with anything – but investigators may use that evidence to try to make a case against the individual’s bar o[r] bartender." A lot of bar owners were howling over this because of the "last bar" approach this measure takes: What happens when Bubba has 5 beers at home, goes on a pub crawl with his buddies and has 8 more drinks over the course of the night...it's the last bar he was in that gets nailed for over serving. One bar owner hired a professional cameraman to film what happened to his patrons leaving the bar. The owner and cameraman were promptly arrested for interfering with undercover state investigators. :rolleyes: |
If you live in Albuquerque, beware that the soccer-cops are moving out of the school zones! What's a 'soccer-cop'? It's an unmarked van equipped with radar and camera that sits on the side of the road. As part of the speeding crackdown related to school zones, the SCV (Soccer-Cop Vans) would snag both speeders AND folks who passed buses with flashing lights on. 1 mph over the school zone speed limit will cost you $100!!
Oh, and works like the traffic light cams. They don't stop you at the time of the infraction. You just get a nice little citation in the mail. Now, since the program has been so successful around schools, it's being pushed out to both residential neighborhoods and to interstates 25 and 40. So, if you're driving through the 'Big-I', be sure to watch that gas pedal |
Rio Rancho PD has their own tricks as well...
http://www.officer.com/article/artic...&siteSection=1 "Rio Rancho motorists might do well to slow down - that little old man in the electric wheelchair on the sidewalk could be a police officer in disguise. Equipped with a radar gun, a walkie-talkie and a loaned power wheelchair, police Sgt. Pete Camacho has been cruising residential streets this week, on the prowl for speeders." |
Originally Posted by jonesing
Rio Rancho PD has their own tricks as well...
http://www.officer.com/article/artic...&siteSection=1 "Rio Rancho motorists might do well to slow down - that little old man in the electric wheelchair on the sidewalk could be a police officer in disguise. Equipped with a radar gun, a walkie-talkie and a loaned power wheelchair, police Sgt. Pete Camacho has been cruising residential streets this week, on the prowl for speeders." |
Originally Posted by jonesing
Police to breath test pedestrians
"Investigators targeting bars for over serving customers intend to add another tool to their belt in coming weeks: They’ll be asking for breath tests from pedestrians. |
Originally Posted by ralfp
Is it legal to use an electric wheelchair (non-road legal vehicle) on a public road if you're not using it as a mobility aid? Shouldn't that officer be cited?
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It's time to de-fund police departments.
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Originally Posted by DeafFlyer
Why would it be illegal?
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...any pedestrian approached by an agent and asked to submit a breath test is perfectly within his or her rights to refuse. “Then we send them along their way – so long as there are no other violations,” he said. |
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