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tsadude Feb 3, 2003 11:11 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tazi:

Sorry, but I have failed to see where any intelligence has been used in the screening process so far. I hardly think that the number of pointy objects found should be considered and intelligence leak. Especially when you consider that one airport is selling confiscated items on eBay.

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Where is your reference and or location on Ebay?


rawbert Feb 3, 2003 8:01 pm

Heres the thread http://www.flyertalk.com/milesfr.shtml

Heres the article
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/4822656.htm

rawbert


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tsadude:

Originally posted by tazi:

Sorry, but I have failed to see where any intelligence has been used in the screening process so far. I hardly think that the number of pointy objects found should be considered and intelligence leak. Especially when you consider that one airport is selling confiscated items on eBay.

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Where is your reference and or location on Ebay?



FWAAA Feb 3, 2003 8:07 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tmspa:
I never said that the number of pointy objects found was an intelligence leak. There is so much more to it than that. The TSA is not just composed of screeners. There are Intelligence Specialists, Criminal Investigators, Law Enforcement Officers, and the list goes on. Eventually the TSA will conduct airline cargo screening, railway security...etc. There are processes and procedures that need to be protected, here.</font>
"We're doing more than hassling non-terrorists for sharp and pointy objects, but we can't tell you what that is, for obvious security reasons, of course."

HA HA HA!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/smile.gif

Thanks for the laugh!

And you wonder why so many FlyerTalkers (and why so many Americans) are laughing at the TSA (and its gullible employees)??

Statements like yours reinforce the growing belief that we made a terrible mistake in November, 2001. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/frown.gif

CameraGuy Feb 3, 2003 8:35 pm

Please remember that mistake on election day. Remember that it was Tom Daschle and his party that forced the TSA down our throats.

RS Feb 3, 2003 8:54 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Please remember that mistake on election day. Remember that it was Tom Daschle and his party that forced the TSA down our throats.</font>
Hmmmmm? Now remind me, who signed that legislation into law? Please remind me! Was it...Clinton?

CameraGuy Feb 3, 2003 9:09 pm

Daschle would NOT let the Transportation Security Act of 2001 go through w/o federalizing the screeners. He was UNWILLING to compromise.

Bush could not Veto such an important piece of legislation over one stumbling block.

Once again, the democrats idea of bipartisianship is that they get their way.

RS Feb 3, 2003 11:10 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Daschle would NOT let the Transportation Security Act of 2001 go through w/o federalizing the screeners. He was UNWILLING to compromise.

Bush could not Veto such an important piece of legislation over one stumbling block.

Once again, the democrats idea of bipartisianship is that they get their way.
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There's no doubt about your point on aspects of the TSA program - but on the creation of TSA itself, I'm not sure there was that much disagreement, Rep v Dem. No?

CameraGuy Feb 4, 2003 6:00 am

Yes, there was.

The Republicans wanted to use common sense and institute tougher regulations and federal oversight of PRIVATE screeners.

The Democrats wanted no part of that, thus Daschle's infamous "In order to professionalize, you must federalize" comment.

tazi Feb 4, 2003 6:49 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RS:
There's no doubt about your point on aspects of the TSA program - but on the creation of TSA itself, I'm not sure there was that much disagreement, Rep v Dem. No?</font>
RS, it was the democrats that pushed this through. Bush was against federalizing.


ACES II Feb 4, 2003 9:59 am

Ok, I read the post about items surrendered to the TSA and where they end up. As usual, someone read what they wanted to in the article. As I read it, TWO AIRPORTS are selling the objects and using the money to offset operating expenses. The state of California is also getting into it to reap something as well. That is FAR from the TSA selling anything that is surrendered to them. I did not read anywhere in the article that the TSA is selling ANYTHING. At least tell it right without all the hyperbole.

Edited for spelling.

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TakeScissorsAway Feb 4, 2003 6:54 pm

Next time you get a chance, ask the airline what happens to all the confiscated items, then report back here, and we'll see if they tell the truth. I KNOW what is done with them, but am not at liberty to say.

tmspa Feb 4, 2003 8:44 pm

That brings up a good point. In fact, at MSP, all "surrendered" metal items end up getting collected by Norwest Airlines. What they do from there, who knows? The government has not set up a standard procedure for what do with these items. Typically, TSA merely collects them and the local airline or government takes it from there.


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
Next time you get a chance, ask the airline what happens to all the confiscated items, then report back here, and we'll see if they tell the truth. I KNOW what is done with them, but am not at liberty to say.</font>

bdschobel Feb 5, 2003 5:18 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
Next time you get a chance, ask the airline what happens to all the confiscated items, then report back here, and we'll see if they tell the truth. I KNOW what is done with them, but am not at liberty to say.</font>
Isn't this kind of silly? What, is it a national-security matter where confiscated items end up? Come on!

Most people who think that they have some sort of secret information are just trying to make themselves feel important.

Bruce

TakeScissorsAway Feb 5, 2003 5:32 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bdschobel:
Isn't this kind of silly? What, is it a national-security matter where confiscated items end up? Come on!

Most people who think that they have some sort of secret information are just trying to make themselves feel important.

Bruce
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Sorry Bruce, I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm just covering my butt, in case this "does" fall under SSI. Anyway, I believe the answer has already been posted. I know I'm not important, and if I ever made the mistake of thinking I was, all I'd have to do is come to this BB, and Spiff & tazi would reassure me that I wasn't http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/smile.gif

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RS Feb 5, 2003 9:49 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Yes, there was.

The Republicans wanted to use common sense and institute tougher regulations and federal oversight of PRIVATE screeners.

The Democrats wanted no part of that, thus Daschle's infamous "In order to professionalize, you must federalize" comment.
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I stand corrected. I mostly recall the differences over the "civil service" issues of employees in this program, not the issue of public v. private employees.


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