Airport security in a post-COVID-19 world

Old May 14, 20, 1:23 pm
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I believe that TSA approaches airport passenger screening from the wrong direction. TSA's screening procedures base screening on the premise that all passengers present a possible threat when reality is that ~99.99999999999999999% of passengers present absolutely no threat. More in flight passenger incidents have happened because of mental illness, drugs, and alcohol but almost none from terrorist acts when based on how many people fly each day.

So if the basic screening premise is wrong then the obvious path is to find a way to focus on that tiny fraction of a percentage of actual potential threats. We already know that in past Red Team tests that TSA has a poor ability to find threats. So poor that TSA started hiding the results from the public but I would guess that the failure rate is still overly high. Perhaps the direction to go would be to base screening on available public records for starters. If a person has no history or has violations of law then take a harder look at them. If a person has a lengthy history and no criminal record then spend less time with them. I think the term Risk Based Screening would be the correct term.

Even if TSA had thoughts leaning in this direction I have little confidence that TSA has the talent to determine a better path forward or the ability to implement such changes. That's really the saddest thing about TSA!
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Old May 14, 20, 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
I believe that TSA approaches airport passenger screening from the wrong direction. TSA's screening procedures base screening on the premise that all passengers present a possible threat when reality is that ~99.99999999999999999% of passengers present absolutely no threat. More in flight passenger incidents have happened because of mental illness, drugs, and alcohol but almost none from terrorist acts when based on how many people fly each day.

So if the basic screening premise is wrong then the obvious path is to find a way to focus on that tiny fraction of a percentage of actual potential threats. We already know that in past Red Team tests that TSA has a poor ability to find threats. So poor that TSA started hiding the results from the public but I would guess that the failure rate is still overly high. Perhaps the direction to go would be to base screening on available public records for starters. If a person has no history or has violations of law then take a harder look at them. If a person has a lengthy history and no criminal record then spend less time with them. I think the term Risk Based Screening would be the correct term.

Even if TSA had thoughts leaning in this direction I have little confidence that TSA has the talent to determine a better path forward or the ability to implement such changes. That's really the saddest thing about TSA!
Of course it is still extremely high. If it were not, you can bet we would be hearing about it.
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Old May 16, 20, 8:29 am
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Apparently TSA will start doing passenger temperature checks in some airports starting as early as Monday. Another sad day for America brought to you by TSA.
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Old May 16, 20, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
Apparently TSA will start doing passenger temperature checks in some airports starting as early as Monday. Another sad day for America brought to you by TSA.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/polit...rts/index.html
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Old May 17, 20, 6:44 am
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Apparently TSA will start doing passenger temperature checks in some airports starting as early as Monday. Another sad day for America brought to you by TSA.
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This is going to be interesting.

"I cannot find any law that gives TSA the authority to perform temperature checks as reported. ..." (Bennie Thompson)

In mid-February, CNN reported that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had screened more than 30,000 passengers on flights from China, but not a single US coronavirus case had been caught by the airport temperature checks.
Chances of TSA finding someone with Covid-19 are about equal to their chances of finding a terrorist.
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Old May 17, 20, 10:57 am
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Covid-19 is a bigger boogeyman than the 19-year-old ghost of 9/11. (I think I should make that my signature.)
Nonsense. Our favorite forum punching bag was born out of September 11th. All corona season proves is how insalubrious (and/or stupid) many of us are.
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Old May 18, 20, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
From your post #18 in response to Section 107:
I am not 100% certain that was a Red Team test series, I think that was DHS IG (which most will argue is semantics, but it is different):

"A report leaked out of the TSA"

I could be wrong, it would not be the first time.
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Old May 18, 20, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by gsoltso View Post
I am not 100% certain that was a Red Team test series, I think that was DHS IG (which most will argue is semantics, but it is different):

"A report leaked out of the TSA"

I could be wrong, it would not be the first time.
Red Teams are groups internal to TSA or are groups under the OIG umbrella but the report was released by someone within TSA?
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Old May 18, 20, 11:07 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
Red Teams are groups internal to TSA or are groups under the OIG umbrella but the report was released by someone within TSA?
That is my understanding, that it was not published, but leaked - at least, based upon media reports.
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Old May 18, 20, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by gsoltso View Post
That is my understanding, that it was not published, but leaked - at least, based upon media reports.
Are Red Teams TSA or OIG?
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
Are Red Teams TSA or OIG?
I am uncertain of whether they are OIG, I know that TSA has Red Teams, and they have published that info in the past. OIG may have Red Teams, but I am not privy to all of that info. I do know that OIG conducts testing/evaluations, TSA conducts testing/evaluations, the specific name for them at OIG is not known to me.
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
Red Teams are groups internal to TSA or are groups under the OIG umbrella but the report was released by someone within TSA?
The original OIGs report of "95% failure" (2015) was leaked to ABC News ostensibly by someone within TSA (OIG or Inspections).
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Old May 18, 20, 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by gsoltso View Post
I am uncertain of whether they are OIG, I know that TSA has Red Teams, and they have published that info in the past. OIG may have Red Teams, but I am not privy to all of that info. I do know that OIG conducts testing/evaluations, TSA conducts testing/evaluations, the specific name for them at OIG is not known to me.
"Red teams" is a generic term borrowed from the armed services, it is not used as the official term inside DHS. Office of Inspections has its "ASAP" - Aviation Security Assessment Program - teams, OIG has its own special audit team that conducts covert testing (which is/was not made up of security specialists as is/are the folks assigned to Inspections). Other law enforcement organizations involved in aviation security also conduct covert testing.
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Old May 18, 20, 3:05 pm
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The original OIGs report of "95% failure" (2015) was leaked to ABC News ostensibly by someone within TSA (OIG or Inspections).
My understanding is that the OIG is an independent office within the DHS umbrella, not an agency level activity.

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Old May 18, 20, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Section 107 View Post
"Red teams" is a generic term borrowed from the armed services, it is not used as the official term inside DHS. Office of Inspections has its "ASAP" - Aviation Security Assessment Program - teams, OIG has its own special audit team that conducts covert testing (which is/was not made up of security specialists as is/are the folks assigned to Inspections). Other law enforcement organizations involved in aviation security also conduct covert testing.
Understood, may even throw a tip of the hat to Richard Marcinko for popularizing the term.

I know that we use the term Red Team in conversation, although they probably have a government nomenclature that is around 8 words as the official title for the actual crew that deploys (the Feds do love alphabet soup). I *believe* ASAP is the program outlining a lot of what is to be conducted... please do not quote me on that, I seem to recall that being a I think the OIG teams function a bit differently (that is just a guess based on the way some of their published info is written), although they have the same ultimate goal.
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