Feb 6, 2020, 10:47 am
Last edit by: rrgg
- NO POLITICS IN THIS THREAD. To discuss the politics of what has happened, please use the separate designated thread.
- Existing NY GE members are not affected until the expiration of their current membership (renewals are blocked)
- Rule applies to:
- Vehicle exports
- Applications and renewals for GE, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST
- Separate precheck memberships (not connected to GE, NEXUS, SENTRI or FAST) are not affected
- Fees will be refunded, according to CFB officer.
- Letter from DHS website
- DHS statement Feb. 6
- The following is from this article: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/glo...s-affected-ttp
- 86,000 people will be "affected immediately...including those with pending applications and those up for renewal"
- 800,000 people could be affected over five years
- "[T]hose people no longer eligible for TTP who had pending applications will receive refunds"
- Statements from the NY Attorney General
[Updated] Global Entry, Trusted Traveler Programs Reinstated for NY Residents
Feb 6, 2020, 9:25 am
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That’s a bad idea in both directions. Aside from the application fee being listed as being non-refundable under any circumstance, it’s likely this ban is only temporary and also likely DHS will refund fees to those affected. (As a general matter, disputes should never be filed without contacting the merchant first.)
Feb 6, 2020, 9:26 am
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What record needs to be corrected? The plain language of the law is clear. DHS cannot access DMV records, the rest of the federal government can. The Department of Homeland Security does not comprise the entire Federal Government, to say that the Feds can no longer get DMV records is a bald-faced lie.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:26 am
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What record needs to be corrected? The plain language of the law is clear. DHS cannot access DMV records, the rest of the federal government can. The Department of Homeland Security does not comprise the entire Federal Government, to say that the Feds can no longer get DMV records is a bald-faced lie.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:29 am
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What I meant was that you've already been vetted, and the current NY law doesn't affect that vetting.
If I had to "predict what they will do next," NY will somehow allow exceptions for DHS with the consent of the applicant. Also, it sounds like other TT programs are more hindered by the law than GE.
If I had to "predict what they will do next," NY will somehow allow exceptions for DHS with the consent of the applicant. Also, it sounds like other TT programs are more hindered by the law than GE.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:32 am
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Joe, New York has a large population of citizens who do not have driver's licenses. It's called living in New York City. Having access or not having access to DMV records is irrelevant to these citizens since they don't drive.
As far as Real ID, having a driver's license is one of many acceptable IDs to get through TSA.
As far as Real ID, having a driver's license is one of many acceptable IDs to get through TSA.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:33 am
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The Department already has access to the records they need through State and Justice. The only outstanding item would be car ownership (which doesn't apply to a large number of New Yorkers). This is really simple once the politics is removed.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:41 am
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I talked to a US citizen who has no US DL and just got approved for GE renewal. DHS/CBP has no easy/fast legal way to have the DL-issuing authority to confirm the validity of his DL or the information on file with the issuing authority for the DL. Apparently, DHS can still approve people for GE even when the applicant is without any info on file with US state DMVs .... unless they claim to be residents of NYS.
The Department already has access to the records they need through State and Justice. The only outstanding item would be car ownership (which doesn't apply to a large number of New Yorkers). This is really simple once the politics is removed.
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Feb 6, 2020, 9:44 am
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From the letter, "The Act also threatens to block access to other state law enforcement agencies and departments if those agencies or departments provide New York DMV records to CBP and ICE."
Feb 6, 2020, 9:46 am
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If those other agencies can share info seamlessly with ICE and CBP, what was the point of the N.Y. law?
Feb 6, 2020, 9:51 am
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I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. State and Justice already independently have access to photo records, DOB (these two were enumerated in the WSJ piece), and criminal record information. They don't need the DMV for this. The global entry application form is a front-end for e-QIP. The interagency process to validate your information already exists and is used all the time. They don't need this information from the DMV, only car records.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:56 am
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I think it would be hard to find a restriction on the vehicle portion of NEXUS unreasonable, and I could see a Court coming out that way. If you can't validate vehicle records, you can't clear them. It makes sense to me.
Feb 6, 2020, 10:01 am
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Re: Keeping Political Commentary out of the TSS Policy Debate Forum!
Folks,
I meant it when I posted approximately an hour ago asking members to keep political commentary out of the Travel Safety/Security forums.
If you must argue the political aspects of this development, we have a parallel thread in OMNI/PR:
Global Entry suspended for NY Citizens due to Sanctuary law
Please note that access to the OMNI forums is restricted to members who have been on FlyerTalk for 180 days and who have posted 180 contributive posts.
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I meant it when I posted approximately an hour ago asking members to keep political commentary out of the Travel Safety/Security forums.
If you must argue the political aspects of this development, we have a parallel thread in OMNI/PR:
Global Entry suspended for NY Citizens due to Sanctuary law
Please note that access to the OMNI forums is restricted to members who have been on FlyerTalk for 180 days and who have posted 180 contributive posts.
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