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Old Dec 14, 2018, 1:27 pm
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NYPD roll out "randomly selected" metal detector in passage between Times Square & PA

NYPD Tests Out Metal Detectors In The Subway: Gothamist

On the anniversary of a bombing in the passage between the Times Square & Port Authority Subway stations the NYPD has put one, singular, metal detector where travelers will be randomly selected for scanning and since everyone will trigger with everyday items on them a freedom pat down.

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Old Dec 14, 2018, 8:33 pm
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Where's the search warrant?
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Old Dec 15, 2018, 9:27 pm
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I'm rather curious about the legality of this as well.
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Old Dec 16, 2018, 6:51 am
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I'm rather curious about the legality of this as well.
I imagine that, as with the bag checks, you'll be told it's legal because you can avoid it by leaving the station and going to another station to board a train.
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Old Dec 16, 2018, 10:44 am
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And what happens to anyone who is gutsy enough (or unlucky enough) to be traveling without a valid government picture ID?

Do you have to produce ID on demand in NYC?

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Old Dec 16, 2018, 3:48 pm
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I have little doubt that they NYC police agencies think doing this is ok. I don't know how NYC police agencies are laid out but guessing they have a Transit Police agency. NYPD certainly had no problem with Stop and Frisk. I'm afraid that we citizens have been complacent of our freedoms for so long that the police state believes it can do anything they like.
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 2:01 am
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
I imagine that, as with the bag checks, you'll be told it's legal because you can avoid it by leaving the station and going to another station to board a train.
The only way to avoid the passageway/connector is to exit the system.
If you are connecting between A, C, E and 7, R, Q, N that costs an extra fare. PA Bus Terminal pax can leave the system and exit/enter PABT by walking on the street, not "nice" with inclement weather.
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 7:45 pm
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"Do you have to produce ID on demand in NYC?"
I think in most states there has to be RAS (reasonable articulable suspicion) that a crime has been committed or is about to be committed.
I've seen lots of videos on youtube with cops saying you have to carry your papers (please!) at all times but that's hogwash.
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Old Dec 18, 2018, 6:09 am
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Originally Posted by nrr
The only way to avoid the passageway/connector is to exit the system.
If you are connecting between A, C, E and 7, R, Q, N that costs an extra fare. PA Bus Terminal pax can leave the system and exit/enter PABT by walking on the street, not "nice" with inclement weather.
Thanks. That's for this particular placement, however. Didn't the article say units would be used in other stations as well?

BTW, a quote from one of the other articles I read was:

Another commenter noted that the officers in the photo appear to be guarding the new device "in case anyone tries to use it."
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Old Dec 18, 2018, 9:04 am
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Thanks. That's for this particular placement, however. Didn't the article say units would be used in other stations as well?

BTW, a quote from one of the other articles I read was:



How many police are dedicated to this thing? I'm counting around 9 in this picture. Isn't that a waste of police officers who should be out on the streets? Something stinks to high heaven about this. Wonder how much money DHS is funneling to the NYPD?
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Old Dec 18, 2018, 9:15 am
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How many police are dedicated to this thing? I'm counting around 9 in this picture. Isn't that a waste of police officers who should be out on the streets? Something stinks to high heaven about this. Wonder how much money DHS is funneling to the NYPD?
New York City will receive $178 million under the Urban Areas Security Initiative (UASI) to update emergency preparedness equipment and programs like the New York City Police Department’s (NYPD) Critical Response Command, the New York City Fire Department’s (FDNY) active shooter training program, and radiological detection tools. That marks a $627,000 increase in UASI funding from the previous year.
DHS funds to NYC

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"How many police are dedicated to this thing? I'm counting around 9 in this picture. Isn't that a waste of police officers who should be out on the streets?"

Good point. File under "Security Theater."
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Old Dec 19, 2018, 12:17 pm
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"How many police are dedicated to this thing? I'm counting around 9 in this picture. Isn't that a waste of police officers who should be out on the streets?"

Good point. File under "Security Theater."
When I watched the videos, I noticed two young people wearing backpacks loaded to the gills who went through without a beep. A woman carrying a small purse set it off. The video conveniently cut off before you could see what the cops did to her afterwarda.
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Old Dec 19, 2018, 1:49 pm
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I don't like security is very tight. Let it loose. Get rid of it! Just stay away from NYPD or anybody else. That won't be necessary!
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Old Dec 19, 2018, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much


When I watched the videos, I noticed two young people wearing backpacks loaded to the gills who went through without a beep. A woman carrying a small purse set it off. The video conveniently cut off before you could see what the cops did to her afterwarda.
It seemed to me as if they didn't realize it had beeped; the cop directing people into it didn't react at all.
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