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flyingmango Jun 24, 2018 10:35 pm

Jogger detained 2 weeks for jogging across border
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ties-1.4717060

Stuff like this really irks me. Apparently she was out for a jog and was unaware where the actual border was. She says there were no signs (maybe or maybe not) and had no idea. Apparently CBP thought the correct course of action was to toss her in detention for 2 weeks.

She is a French citizen visiting her mom in BC. I know some of you will say 'the law is the law' but what about common sense? It was most likely obvious she was unaware and had no intent of entering the US illegally; just out for a jog. Why not just give her a verbal warning, point her in the correct direction and wish her 'a good day'?? Instead, US taxpayers had to dish out beaucoups of tax money for her detention and add to the 'you're not welcome here' believed by so many foreigners.

You get stopped for speeding and the cop decides to give you a warning and send you on your way. A little grace goes a long way.

Anyway, I could rant all day about this but I'll leave up to you guys...or not :)

Finkface Jun 24, 2018 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by flyingmango (Post 29902971)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ties-1.4717060

Stuff like this really irks me. Apparently she was out for a jog and was unaware where the actual border was. She says there were no signs (maybe or maybe not) and had no idea. Apparently CBP thought the correct course of action was to toss her in detention for 2 weeks.

She is a French citizen visiting her mom in BC. I know some of you will say 'the law is the law' but what about common sense? It was most likely obvious she was unaware and had no intent of entering the US illegally; just out for a jog. Why not just give her a verbal warning, point her in the correct direction and wish her 'a good day'?? Instead, US taxpayers had to dish out beaucoups of tax money for her detention and add to the 'you're not welcome here' believed by so many foreigners.

You get stopped for speeding and the cop decides to give you a warning and send you on your way. A little grace goes a long way.

Anyway, I could rant all day about this but I'll leave up to you guys...or not :)

I live here and it has been on the news a lot. There is a lot more to it than you are posting. She left the beach and went up a dirt path. They couldn’t just turn her back as she had no id and is not a Canadian citizen. They had no idea what she may have been doing. It happened on May 21. Her mom brought her French passport in to ICE on the third day, May 24, and it wasn’t until May 29 that the Canadian authorities declared her admissable. Sure, it is terrible that it took so long but she crossed into the US via a dirt path from a country where she was not a citizen but was a visitor and with no id to prove any of it. Plus she just said she didn’t see any signs and that in Europe, all the borders are open and she didn’t know Canada-US worked differently.

I’m not saying whether or not they should have detained her or just turned her around and sent her back, just that there is more to it than you posted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.77e39384ad91
Jogger Who Accidentally Crossed U.S. Border Detained | Time

trooper Jun 25, 2018 12:37 am


Originally Posted by Finkface (Post 29902997)
I live here and it has been on the news a lot. There is a lot more to it than you are posting. She left the beach and went up a dirt path. They couldn’t just turn her back as she had no id and is not a Canadian citizen. They had no idea what she may have been doing. It happened on May 21. Her mom brought her French passport in to ICE on the third day, May 24, and it wasn’t until May 29 that the Canadian authorities declared her admissable. Sure, it is terrible that it took so long but she crossed into the US via a dirt path from a country where she was not a citizen but was a visitor and with no id to prove any of it. Plus she just said she didn’t see any signs and that in Europe, all the borders are open and she didn’t know Canada-US worked differently.

I’m not saying whether or not they should have detained her or just turned her around and sent her back, just that there is more to it than you posted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.77e39384ad91
Jogger Who Accidentally Crossed U.S. Border Detained Time

Fairly important factor there I would think?

gfunkdave Jun 25, 2018 1:18 pm

I mean, sure she shouldn't have jogged across the border. But if there isn't even a sign noting the border, I'm not sure how they can expect her to know where the border is.

Furthermore, US police are not trained in de-escalation. They seem to always want to make the biggest deal out of everything in hopes of a promotion or something.

Finkface Jun 25, 2018 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 29905357)
I mean, sure she shouldn't have jogged across the border. But if there isn't even a sign noting the border, I'm not sure how they can expect her to know where the border is.

Furthermore, US police are not trained in de-escalation. They seem to always want to make the biggest deal out of everything in hopes of a promotion or something.

I’m not sure there wasn’t a sign. She just said that she didn’t see one. I don’t know exactly where she crossed but the stock photo they keep using in media coverage is in the link I posted here: Jogger Who Accidentally Crossed U.S. Border Detained | Time

I know there are places without signs but I did see an interview with the girl where she said she just didn’t see the sign. “She says she didn’t see the signs letting her know that she was entering the country.” Pretty harsh especially because it is possible that she is now not allowed to go back to the US, if she would ever even want to.

nachtnebel Jun 25, 2018 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 29905357)
I mean, sure she shouldn't have jogged across the border. But if there isn't even a sign noting the border, I'm not sure how they can expect her to know where the border is.

Furthermore, US police are not trained in de-escalation. They seem to always want to make the biggest deal out of everything in hopes of a promotion or something.

Most of the US Canada border is unmarked. I believe some of the roads are darn near split US on one side Canada on the other. This has got to be a common occurrence. Gee. a young woman dressed as a jogger jogging on a dirt path. That should be sufficient data to just turn her around. Leave it to the border police to handle this in the least intelligent way.

catocony Jun 25, 2018 4:20 pm

Take a look at Google maps, streetview. Just a couple of miles east of Blaine, you can follow the road that is the border. A house or small apartment building on the US side, a two-lane paved road, then a house on the Canadian side of the road. No fencing other than the usual property fences you would find anywhere.

All along the border, they have put up jersey barriers on a lot of the country roads that used to slice through the line. But, in many places, there are houses on both sides of the road.

Here's a good example in Vermont. Vermont is on the south side of the street - note the house with the Bernie Sanders sign in the front yard. Across the street is a house for sale, in French, on the Quebec side.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0058...7i13312!8i6656

nachtnebel Jun 25, 2018 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by catocony (Post 29905940)
Take a look at Google maps, streetview. Just a couple of miles east of Blaine, you can follow the road that is the border. A house or small apartment building on the US side, a two-lane paved road, then a house on the Canadian side of the road. No fencing other than the usual property fences you would find anywhere.

All along the border, they have put up jersey barriers on a lot of the country roads that used to slice through the line. But, in many places, there are houses on both sides of the road.

Yes, I have traversed those roads a few times. It always struck me as comical how wide open it all is, and yet the border guards (both US and Canadian) at Blaine put on the act that they are keeping the border hermetically sealed. The Abbottsford crossing is much less that way, possibly because they can just look out across the fields and get the joke.


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