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Old Apr 23, 18, 5:28 am
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Viper Team Today Rosslyn DC Metro Exit

Viper Team setup this morning at the Rosslyn DC Metro exit. Did not appear they were using (disposable) gloves.
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Old Apr 23, 18, 5:56 am
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Originally Posted by johnston21 View Post
Viper Team setup this morning at the Rosslyn DC Metro exit. Did not appear they were using (disposable) gloves.
What is a Viper Team? And by the way the Rosslyn Metro stop is in Virginia not DC.
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Old Apr 23, 18, 6:13 am
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Viper Team setup this morning at the Rosslyn DC Metro exit. Did not appear they were using (disposable) gloves.
Wow -- great place to trap people (from the TSA's perspective). Small entrance; only one set of turnstyles; next closest station (Courthouse) nearly a mile away; major hub with tons of victims coming and going during rush hour. Were they harassing and searching people or just standing around looking intimidating?
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Searching upon exiting.
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Old Apr 23, 18, 7:37 am
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Searching upon exiting.
You mean after someone has had a chance to blow up the train? I wonder how much this exercise in stupidity cost We, The People.

I would have thought VIPR would have learned a valuable lesson after the Savannah debacle.

BTW, I thought VIPR teams were going away.
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Searching upon exiting.
They were stopping and searching people after they came up the escalator and had gone through the turnstyles?
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much View Post
Wow -- great place to trap people (from the TSA's perspective). Small entrance; only one set of turnstyles; next closest station (Courthouse) nearly a mile away; major hub with tons of victims coming and going during rush hour. Were they harassing and searching people or just standing around looking intimidating?
Were they staffing one of the longest elevator rides in the vicinity? I had seen that several years ago.
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INAL. If a person is exiting mass transportation why would any LEO be allowed to search a person without a warrant, probable cause, or reasonable suspicion?

TSA VIPR teams are made up of FAM's who are federal LEO's. I don't understand the carve out in this case.
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What happens here if one says that they do not want to submit to the search? Normally my understanding is that they can ban someone from riding that day (one could use Uber, Lyft, or a taxi for the remainder of the day). However, here the person has already ridden because he or she is exiting.

If this was before entering the Metro, one could perhaps take the elevator instead as that has a separate entrance, unless they are standing there.
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What happens here if one says that they do not want to submit to the search? Normally my understanding is that they can ban someone from riding that day (one could use Uber, Lyft, or a taxi for the remainder of the day). However, here the person has already ridden because he or she is exiting.

If this was before entering the Metro, one could perhaps take the elevator instead as that has a separate entrance, unless they are standing there.
There have been reports of people refusing and being escorted out of the station. In places like NYC and Boston with extensive aubway systems, itís simple to just walk around the corner to another entrance or down the street to the next station. Thatís not possible at Rosslyn. Now that I think about it, you could take the elevator because itís located on Moore Street and has its own handicapped-accessible turnstyle. Other than that, itís a mile walk to the next station. .
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I am confused by this too. I've never heard of people being searched as they exit the system. That seems even more nonsensical than their "random" entrance searches.
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There have been reports of people refusing and being escorted out of the station. In places like NYC and Boston with extensive aubway systems, itís simple to just walk around the corner to another entrance or down the street to the next station. Thatís not possible at Rosslyn. Now that I think about it, you could take the elevator because itís located on Moore Street and has its own handicapped-accessible turnstyle. Other than that, itís a mile walk to the next station. .
In this case the people were leaving the subway. What grounds are present to mandate a search?
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I am confused by this too. I've never heard of people being searched as they exit the system. That seems even more nonsensical than their "random" entrance searches.
Not a first for TSA, they did this to train passengers a few years back. Confuses me as to how TSA thinks acts like this improve safety.
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Originally Posted by glennaa11 View Post
I am confused by this too. I've never heard of people being searched as they exit the system. That seems even more nonsensical than their "random" entrance searches.
This is not without precedent. A few years ago, TSA forced folks exiting an Amtrak train to detour through the terminal instead of going directly to the parking lot. Once in the terminal, they were screened and bag checked. Amtrak wasn't happy and I don't recall what TSA's logic was for forcing departing pax into the 'sterile' area for a search.

I'm sure there was a very good SSI reason, though.
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