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overdahill Feb 18, 2018 11:16 pm

safety record for atr72
 
Has anyone compiled a record of the crashes dating back to October 31 outside Chicago?

Seems like the history is significant.

Boggie Dog Feb 19, 2018 7:12 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_72

Accidents and incidents listed.

Tisbutascratch Feb 20, 2018 10:51 am

Why Chicago?

Randyk47 Feb 20, 2018 11:14 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29433548)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_72

Accidents and incidents listed.

One the passengers killed in the 1994 crash in Indiana was a contractor that was doing some economic analysis for me. As I recall he left behind a wife and six young children.

Boggie Dog Feb 20, 2018 12:56 pm


Originally Posted by Randyk47 (Post 29438709)


One the passengers killed in the 1994 crash in Indiana was a contractor that was doing so economic analysis for me. As I recall he left behind a wife and six young children.

Sorry to hear that.

WorldLux Feb 20, 2018 2:01 pm

The ATR-72's safety record isn't that bad. TransAsia Airways is responsible for a bulk of all ATR-72 crashes (1995, 2002, 2014 and 2015).

Around 600 lives were lost in ATR-42/ATR-72 crashes.

JumboJet Feb 20, 2018 2:32 pm

Their safety record has 100% on my flights.

redadeco Feb 21, 2018 2:06 am

I don't reckon there are still ATRs around in the US carrying commercial passengers.

Randyk47 Feb 21, 2018 7:36 am


Originally Posted by redadeco (Post 29441113)
I don't reckon there are still ATRs around in the US carrying commercial passengers.

I was actually surprised to see that they still make ATR72 variants. I thought I remembered that after the 1994 crash there was a finding that at least that model had de-icing and wing design issues and shortly thereafter most of the airlines quickly phased them out. Looks like that outside of the US the company and new versions of the plane are alive and well.

redadeco Feb 21, 2018 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by Randyk47 (Post 29441817)


I was actually surprised to see that they still make ATR72 variants. I thought I remembered that after the 1994 crash there was a finding that at least that model had de-icing and wing design issues and shortly thereafter most of the airlines quickly phased them out. Looks like that outside of the US the company and new versions of the plane are alive and well.

Abroad I've flown ATRs as recently as last November, they're popular in Africa especially for regional flights. Cargo/luggage space is located between the cabin and cockpit.

I was excited to read that HA is starting inter-Hawaiian ATR service next month though after verification it turns out it will be for cargo only.

overdahill Feb 23, 2018 12:30 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29439128)
Sorry to hear that.

I flew perhaps 4 times a week on this plane from Indy to Chicago. I found the planes stability in high winds to be very
uncomfortable. Consequently I always checked the weather and when wind was a factor, I chose other equipment or other times.
On Monday October 31 I checked the conditions which were high wind. I called my office outside Indy and they informed me that wind was treacherous as
trees were being blown down. I was in Nashville that weekend set to fly back through indy to Chicago to Newark.

I called American and spoke to veronica lopes asking for a reroute through dallas. not possible even with my platinum status. I suggested to her that the weather was excessive and dangerous. She reconfirmed with their resources that all was ok. I told her that in my opinion that this was very bad.

I recall that the indy paper had wind speeds over 70 mph, which may have been over the limit of the atr takeoff limit.

Had northwest not given me status I would be dead. But to thank them, since the date was trick or treat I sent 50 to 100 lbs of ghiradelli to thank the staff
for my great fortune. I became over the years known as the chocolate guy where they read the story of the experience at their Christmas parties.

I was very well known and some staff with delta originally from NWA knew me or of me. I was written up in the nwa paper when one year the executives stole the bars of choc. It was nicknamed the great chocolate caper.


Had veronica listened to me, things might be different. Don Carty chose after meeting with me on a flight from Calgary to dallas to move the atr's down
south where storms were less severe (I do not believe that the real cause was just icing).

They eventually sold them. Note that the crashes listed seemed all to be under high wind conditions. There is more detail but I think you have the message.

Perhaps more of you should listen to this crazy old man.

I called northwest and they granted me gold status over the phone and I then cancelled the aa flight and took my wife back to the grand ol for the afternoon.

WorldLux Feb 23, 2018 10:02 am


Originally Posted by overdahill (Post 29448975)
They eventually sold them. Note that the crashes listed seemed all to be under high wind conditions. There is more detail but I think you have the message.

I'm not sure if the ATR is more prone to crash in high wind conditions as other turboprops. The Dash 8 gets thrown around a lot too if it's windy.

VelvetJones Feb 24, 2018 10:58 am


Originally Posted by overdahill (Post 29432724)
Has anyone compiled a record of the crashes dating back to October 31 outside Chicago?

Seems like the history is significant.

It seems like most of the ATR crashes, both for the 42 and 72, involve icing. It seems they never fixed the problems, despite changes to the deicing boots. Even the one in Cuba crashed due to icing(flow through a thunder storm). It is the one of only a few planes I will not fly on.

JamesBigglesworth Feb 25, 2018 12:47 am


Originally Posted by overdahill (Post 29448975)
I flew perhaps 4 times a week on this plane from Indy to Chicago. I found the planes stability in high winds to be very
uncomfortable. Consequently I always checked the weather and when wind was a factor, I chose other equipment or other times.

They're a smaller plane flying at lower speeds: they're always going to be pushed around by the wind more than most jets.



Had northwest not given me status I would be dead.
Due to icing, not high winds.




They eventually sold them. Note that the crashes listed seemed all to be under high wind conditions. There is more detail but I think you have the message.
You must be reading something else because the most common seems to be icing. The rest are the usual range of things. I'd say it's more important that many/most of the crashes have been with smaller carriers and they are often operating into/out of smaller, more marginal airports. Such carriers often have pilots with less experience. Look at the major carriers that operate the type: Air New Zealand and Finnair. NZ get the ATR into/out of airports like WLG without problems day after day, year after year.

Boggie Dog Feb 25, 2018 8:12 am

I doubt the mode of propulsion makes the ATR 72 aircraft any more prone to accident but would look to operator proficiency (low time pilots).


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