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Originally Posted by der_saeufer
(Post 29361652)
This works great in continental Europe where nearly every adult is legally required to have a national ID card even if they never go more than a mile from home. In the US, where there's no national ID and our 54 different driving licenses carry no indication of citizenship (or even legal residency, in some cases), most people who travel abroad are going to visit some country that requires the "real" passport book, so an agreement that allowed Americans to travel by air with passport cards would only really help that small subset of people who travel exclusively to Canada but don't always go by land.
It also works in Europe because EU citizens' free movement rights mean that it's impossible for a Belgian to overstay in Ireland, so there's no need for stamps. Other than Canada, I doubt many other countries would admit Americans without something to stamp, especially since the U.S. wouldn't admit those countries' citizens without something to stamp. |
I doubt that would ever happen in our lifetime as it would require every country in the world to abolish paper visas/stamps and adopt a 100% electronic visa and entry/exit system. The only country I'm aware of that's done both is Australia.
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Originally Posted by König
(Post 29363432)
There is a lot of Americans who travel to Canada by air, so I would not call them a small subset. At the very least, the US government could allow the passport card to be used to return to the US by air, but for some reason they are not willing to do that either. IMO, if they did, that would prompt both Canada and Mexico to start accepting the cards at their airports POE. These two counties would cover a large portion of travelling US public. Then, theoretically both Ireland and the UK could accept passport cards too because they have their own immigration systems. Yes, I do understand that travelling to the Schengen Area would require a good old passport book, but the Schengen Area alone should not be the reason why travelling Americans would have to carry passport book for any and all international air travel.
You seem to squarely concentrate on the EU, but my comment regarding the air travel using passport card was more pointed to individual countries that have their own immigration databases such as Canada, Mexico, UK, etc. If the Schengen countries are willing to use such an outdated 'technology' as passport stumps to protect their borders and enforce their immigration laws, then more power to them. As for UK/IE, although I agree that they could theoretically accept passport cards, I don't see the US reciprocally accepting Irish passport cards, and the UK doesn't have one, so it seems unlikely to be something that any of the governments involved would expend much effort on. I concentrate on the EU for two reasons: First, it's the only large bloc that allows passport-free travel. While there are other countries with reciprocal agreements (UK/IE CTA, US/CA and US/MX land borders), anyone who travels beyond those limited areas would need a passport book anyway, whereas a Bulgarian can get all the way to Finland, Ireland, Portugal, etc. without a passport. Second--and IMO more importantly--in most of the EU member states, it's illegal to walk out your front door without your ID. Every adult already has a national ID, so using it as a travel document relieves the traveller of the entire passport application process. The only thing Americans save by getting a passport card instead of the passport book is $8 per year and a little bit of bag/pocket space. It'd be interesting to know how many Irish citizens have passport cards, since I suspect that there are lots of Irish citizens who travel outside the CTA but don't leave the EU/EEA. |
Originally Posted by der_saeufer
(Post 29365628)
It'd be interesting to know how many Irish citizens have passport cards, since I suspect that there are lots of Irish citizens who travel outside the CTA but don't leave the EU/EEA.
And apparently you can't just reuse the book's photo for the card unless you are applying for both at the same time. If I were Irish I wouldn't bother as I don't find it particularly onerous to carry a passport book around. |
Originally Posted by pstation
(Post 29363997)
I doubt that would ever happen in our lifetime as it would require every country in the world to abolish paper visas/stamps and adopt a 100% electronic visa and entry/exit system. The only country I'm aware of that's done both is Australia.
However Australia and New Zealand are working on the concept of "Cloud Passports" - fully digital passports which will initially allow NZ/Australian nationals to travel between the two countries using no physical passport at all, but rather a "virtual" passport stored on government data centres. |
Originally Posted by pstation
(Post 29363997)
I doubt that would ever happen in our lifetime as it would require every country in the world to abolish paper visas/stamps and adopt a 100% electronic visa and entry/exit system. The only country I'm aware of that's done both is Australia.
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Outdated or not, expect increased costs for US passports and passport cards effective April 2nd for those required to use DS-11 to get a US passport. Higher price but no better outcome at least for me.
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