Constitution-Free Zone Alive & Well!
Jun 26, 2018, 11:30 am
#136
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Here's the reason why Greyhound and Amtrak and others comply in these sweeps:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-amtrak-train
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-amtrak-train
yeah. I always forget that. It's the "reasonable" clause that gets me. Suspending the constitution for 100 miles impacting most of the people in the US is not what I think of as reasonable. I guess "reasonable" is the federal code word for "we want it and we think we can get away with it".
Jun 26, 2018, 11:35 am
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yeah. I always forget that. It's the "reasonable" clause that gets me. Suspending the constitution for 100 miles impacting most of the people in the US is not what I think of as reasonable. I guess "reasonable" is the federal code word for "we want it and we think we can get away with it".
Jun 26, 2018, 12:11 pm
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According to Petaluma's post above the actual distance appears to be set only by a DOJ rule. The Act passed by Congress authorizes such searches for a "reasonable" distance from the border but doesn't specify a limit, if Petaluma is right. So the same folks that steal your money without proof of crime also get to steal what's left of your liberties by establishing such ridiculous border zones.
Jun 26, 2018, 4:51 pm
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According to Petaluma's post above the actual distance appears to be set only by a DOJ rule. The Act passed by Congress authorizes such searches for a "reasonable" distance from the border but doesn't specify a limit, if Petaluma is right. So the same folks that steal your money without proof of crime also get to steal what's left of your liberties by establishing such ridiculous border zones.
Outdated Legal Authority and Lack of Oversight
- The regulations establishing the 100-mile border zone were adopted by the U.S. Department of Justice in 1953—without any public comments or debate. At the time, there were fewer than 1,100 Border Patrol agents nationwide; today, there are over 21,000.
Jul 14, 2018, 9:41 pm
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[Moderator's note: This post and the responses were relocated from a thread discussing ICE/CBP meeting an arriving international flight at the gate, separating US citizens lawful permanent residents from the remaining passengers and clearing them one-by-one. US domestic flights are subject to different rules, which are the topic of this thread.]
So this so far has only happened with international flights, correct? It would be troubling if this happened on a domestic route.
So this so far has only happened with international flights, correct? It would be troubling if this happened on a domestic route.
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Jul 15, 2018, 6:50 am
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CBP/ICE receptions have happened for some domestic flights. But then they generally haven’t expected passports from most who have taken such flights.
Jul 15, 2018, 1:35 pm
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Jul 15, 2018, 11:13 pm
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@greggarious, it's not quite the same, but there is usually a Border Patrol officer (green uniform) at the entrance to the security checkpoint at Tucson.
Usually they're just hovering, but I've seen them pull passengers aside. The passengers pulled aside are invariably Hispanic/Latina women.
There are no more scheduled international flights from TUS. Therefore it is a customs and immigration inspection for a domestic flight. They are definitely border patrol; CBP officers wear blue uniforms. The airport is 63 miles from the border.
Usually they're just hovering, but I've seen them pull passengers aside. The passengers pulled aside are invariably Hispanic/Latina women.
There are no more scheduled international flights from TUS. Therefore it is a customs and immigration inspection for a domestic flight. They are definitely border patrol; CBP officers wear blue uniforms. The airport is 63 miles from the border.
Jul 16, 2018, 12:18 am
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@greggarious, it's not quite the same, but there is usually a Border Patrol officer (green uniform) at the entrance to the security checkpoint at Tucson.
Usually they're just hovering, but I've seen them pull passengers aside. The passengers pulled aside are invariably Hispanic/Latina women.
There are no more scheduled international flights from TUS. Therefore it is a customs and immigration inspection for a domestic flight. They are definitely border patrol; CBP officers wear blue uniforms. The airport is 63 miles from the border.
Usually they're just hovering, but I've seen them pull passengers aside. The passengers pulled aside are invariably Hispanic/Latina women.
There are no more scheduled international flights from TUS. Therefore it is a customs and immigration inspection for a domestic flight. They are definitely border patrol; CBP officers wear blue uniforms. The airport is 63 miles from the border.
Jul 16, 2018, 12:24 am
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The Border Patrol can "inspect" people leaving the border zone further into the United States, but never the reverse. Therefore their presence is for people departing domestically from border zone airports (e.g. SAN, ELP, BUF), not greeting arriving flights, domestic or international.
Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 pm
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The Border Patrol can "inspect" people leaving the border zone further into the United States, but never the reverse. Therefore their presence is for people departing domestically from border zone airports (e.g. SAN, ELP, BUF), not greeting arriving flights, domestic or international.
Jul 23, 2018, 9:17 am
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The Border Patrol can "inspect" people leaving the border zone further into the United States, but never the reverse. Therefore their presence is for people departing domestically from border zone airports (e.g. SAN, ELP, BUF), not greeting arriving flights, domestic or international.
Jul 23, 2018, 9:34 am
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Jul 23, 2018, 9:50 am
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https://www.aclu.org/other/constitut...le-border-zone
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