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Jan 24, 2018, 6:06 am
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Jan 24, 2018, 6:41 am
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I believe that non-citizens are attempting to hide by wearing TSA uniforms. Everybody wearing a TSA uniform should be stopped by ICE officers and, if they can't provide proof of their citizenship or legal status (i.e. a passport or green card, driver's license doesn't prove anything), they should be held until they can show such proof.
Jan 24, 2018, 7:30 am
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Most respondents are complaining about having to provide proof of citizenship and the fact that we are not required, by the Constitution to carry such. That is NOT what the OP said. Here, I'll repeat it, with emphasis added by me.
" They instructed each person to present “a U.S. identification or a passport with a stamp of entrance,”
A US identification can be anything--a driver's license, a medicaid or medicare card, a food stamp card, a credit card etc.etc. ALL of these documents are only issued to those who are LEGALLY in the US. --try to open a bank account now a days. --or try to be an illegal and get a credit card. So, holders of these cards are either legal, or they are experts at forgery. Now, who can honestly say that they are going to be traveling with NOTHING that has their name on it!
" They instructed each person to present “a U.S. identification or a passport with a stamp of entrance,”
A US identification can be anything--a driver's license, a medicaid or medicare card, a food stamp card, a credit card etc.etc. ALL of these documents are only issued to those who are LEGALLY in the US. --try to open a bank account now a days. --or try to be an illegal and get a credit card. So, holders of these cards are either legal, or they are experts at forgery. Now, who can honestly say that they are going to be traveling with NOTHING that has their name on it!
Jan 24, 2018, 7:48 am
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A US identification can be anything--a driver's license, a medicaid or medicare card, a food stamp card, a credit card etc.etc. ALL of these documents are only issued to those who are LEGALLY in the US. --try to open a bank account now a days. --or try to be an illegal and get a credit card. So, holders of these cards are either legal, or they are experts at forgery. Now, who can honestly say that they are going to be traveling with NOTHING that has their name on it!
Jan 24, 2018, 8:24 am
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Jan 24, 2018, 8:29 am
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I believe that non-citizens are attempting to hide by wearing TSA uniforms. Everybody wearing a TSA uniform should be stopped by ICE officers and, if they can't provide proof of their citizenship or legal status (i.e. a passport or green card, driver's license doesn't prove anything), they should be held until they can show such proof.
Jan 24, 2018, 10:47 am
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It’s also trivial for me to request an extra credit card from my bank in the name of a nonresident.
I don’t regularly carry my passport, birth certificate, or GE card. As far as I know, neither do any of the hundreds of citizens I know on a first name basis. The cards I do carry don’t prove anything.
Jan 24, 2018, 11:53 am
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A US identification can be anything--a driver's license, a medicaid or medicare card, a food stamp card, a credit card etc.etc. ALL of these documents are only issued to those who are LEGALLY in the US. --try to open a bank account now a days. --or try to be an illegal and get a credit card. So, holders of these cards are either legal, or they are experts at forgery. Now, who can honestly say that they are going to be traveling with NOTHING that has their name on it!
1. There are lots of people with valid US driver's licenses, ATM cards, credit cards, etc. who aren't in the US legally.
2. There are lots of people who are in the US legally who don't have a bank account or driver's license.
Jan 24, 2018, 8:45 pm
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The Border Exclusion Zone most certainly includes Fort Lauderdale. CBP has expanded authority in this zone. If a question of status is raised in this zone CBP can take a person into custody until status is determined.
You stated it is a constitutional violation to be made to prove citizenship. I'm not questioning your knowledge but am not familiar with that passage. Since the constitution lays out what federal government can do it should be no problem to cite that clause.
You stated it is a constitutional violation to be made to prove citizenship. I'm not questioning your knowledge but am not familiar with that passage. Since the constitution lays out what federal government can do it should be no problem to cite that clause.
Jan 24, 2018, 9:37 pm
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A US identification can be anything--a driver's license, a medicaid or medicare card, a food stamp card, a credit card etc.etc. ALL of these documents are only issued to those who are LEGALLY in the US. --try to open a bank account now a days. --or try to be an illegal and get a credit card. So, holders of these cards are either legal, or they are experts at forgery. Now, who can honestly say that they are going to be traveling with NOTHING that has their name on it!
She's naturalized so she's doing nothing wrong in this. What if she got caught up in one of their raids?
Jan 24, 2018, 9:42 pm
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The highlighted portion is simply incorrect. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, at least twelve states and the District of Columbia issue driver's licenses to unauthorized immigrants.
The main problem here, as I see it, is that no one was "required" to provide ID. That's why there's no constitutional violation. 99.9% of Americans are sheep. When dudes with guns and badges uniforms ask them questions, they answer. When those dudes ask them for ID, people give them ID. If every bus riding American told these guys to piss off and refused to answer questions or provide ID, these checks would have to stop.
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Jan 24, 2018, 10:33 pm
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Jan 25, 2018, 2:10 am
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