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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 29462139)
Some US airports and CBP Preclearance airports still have people getting on and/or off planes using stairs under the open sky “airside”. And at some airports where it’s only jetbridge use generally, there are ways for a passenger to try to mess with the jetbridge without someone calling them out for it until perhaps after the damage is done. In such cases or otherwises, it’s sometimes back to stairs. Airside valet service, by drone. ;) And onward air connections from a perceived weak point can be exploited by criminals and nuts of sorts. If a person wants to introduce a gun to the sterile area the most direct route would be by an unscreened airport worker with a handoff to the passenger. The weapon could already be on the airplane. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 29462316)
If a person wants to introduce a gun to the sterile area the most direct route would be by an unscreened airport worker with a handoff to the passenger. The weapon could already be on the airplane.
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Speaking of wide gaping holes, have any of Section 107's crack gang of experts spent a few months gradually increasing the size of butt plugs they could wear all day to get to the point that they can take a pound or so of explosive onto a plane very easily? Or like in the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" episode where Richard Black's nurse hid a Micky Mantle baseball and Larry David's cell phone in her large hooha? There are plenty of places to pack in explosives. Pretty much anything made of metals, fibers and plastics - which is pretty much anything non-organic - could be made from an explosive polymer.
I had to make my pager beep, turn on my Motorola StarTac and boot up my laptop on a lot of visits through security 20+ years ago. That was completely useless, and it's equally useless now. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 29462095)
At the airports that I've been in once a person clears security there is no outside access for passengers. So how is that gun going to be air dropped to a passenger?
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Originally Posted by catocony
(Post 29462722)
Speaking of wide gaping holes, have any of Section 107's crack gang of experts spent a few months gradually increasing the size of butt plugs they could wear all day to get to the point that they can take a pound or so of explosive onto a plane very easily? Or like in the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" episode where Richard Black's nurse hid a Micky Mantle baseball and Larry David's cell phone in her large hooha? There are plenty of places to pack in explosives. Pretty much anything made of metals, fibers and plastics - which is pretty much anything non-organic - could be made from an explosive polymer.
I had to make my pager beep, turn on my Motorola StarTac and boot up my laptop on a lot of visits through security 20+ years ago. That was completely useless, and it's equally useless now. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 29466109)
Body cavity concealment of an explosive component for an airside-assembled IED, laptop or otherwise, would pass most screening checkpoints more times than not. What works for drug smugglers can work for bomb smugglers too. |
rectal smuggling of firearms into correctional facilities is a not uncommon crime.... :)
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Originally Posted by Section 107
(Post 29466218)
rectal smuggling of firearms into correctional facilities is a not uncommon crime.... :)
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 29460853)
Drone-dropped guns getting into passenger hands airside at US airports doesn’t take genius imagination. It requires less imagination than for a laptop bomb to be smuggled via the scanner belts.
A drone dropping a gun, fine. How is the passenger to retrieve it, though?
Originally Posted by catocony
(Post 29462722)
Speaking of wide gaping holes, have any of Section 107's crack gang of experts spent a few months gradually increasing the size of butt plugs they could wear all day to get to the point that they can take a pound or so of explosive onto a plane very easily? Or like in the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" episode where Richard Black's nurse hid a Micky Mantle baseball and Larry David's cell phone in her large hooha? There are plenty of places to pack in explosives. Pretty much anything made of metals, fibers and plastics - which is pretty much anything non-organic - could be made from an explosive polymer.
Send a dozen women through with 8oz of boom hidden in their hoohas, their luggage carefully checked to be innocuous. Someone else places the stuff, they never touch it until they are airside. They fly to airport A, a short, domestic flight. You take all that boom and fly to airport B. Now that we aren't using the WTMD there won't be anything to detect the cap that set it off.
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 29466109)
Body cavity concealment of an explosive component for an airside-assembled IED, laptop or otherwise, would pass most screening checkpoints more times than not. What works for drug smugglers can work for bomb smugglers too.
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
(Post 29467037)
Maybe some tiny airport somewhere, but I can't recall ever being airside and outside at an airport except when there were multiple people standing around to ensure we went where we were supposed to.
A drone dropping a gun, fine. How is the passenger to retrieve it, though? Don't even need a pound, just a bunch of women to help you out. The risk to them is minimal as you don't get ETDed unless there's something odd. Send a dozen women through with 8oz of boom hidden in their hoohas, their luggage carefully checked to be innocuous. Someone else places the stuff, they never touch it until they are airside. They fly to airport A, a short, domestic flight. You take all that boom and fly to airport B. Now that we aren't using the WTMD there won't be anything to detect the cap that set it off. The druggies usually swallow it--not useful for a bomber. I do agree that the chance of catching a properly done coordinated effort is about zero, though. Thus we are left with with conclusion that there are no competent teams trying it. (Note that the bomber doesn't himself need to be competent. The skilled people all go elsewhere and will be very hard to identify, certainly not in time to catch them if they are foreigners who leave after smuggling the stuff through.) Having priority boarding where there is plane-side outdoor valet bag collection on a multi-level cart allows for easy recovery of a dropped laptop on the top of some such wheeled carts. And laptops don’t look as fishy as guns when pulled off the top by a person who had a wheeled bag big enough for larger planes’ bins but too big for a variety of regional jets used by US carriers. I am certain it is do-able even by kids in my high school science class. It’s just that US aviation isn’t the primary target of terrorists and suicidal terrorists on US flights are akin to looking for a million dollar diamond in the Potomac and finding it. |
If a person wants to get a bomb on an airplane then this is the most likely method:
Southwest Baggage Handler Admits to Drug Smuggling, Money Launderinghttps://www.flyertalk.com/articles/s...aundering.htmlUnder the plea, the former employee admitted to using his credentials to get marijuana past the Transportation Security Administration checkpoint and on aircraft through various means. One method called for Mayfield to carry the luggage into the secure zone using his identification, then hand it off to passengers to carry aboard their flights. In other situations, Mayfield would aid in the transportation of marijuana by sending it as Southwest Cargo. Overall, he admitted to transporting at least 350 kilograms of marijuana across the United States. The point is that TSA has left the backdoor open and unguarded. TSA knows it, I know it, and you should know it! TSA doesn't make us safe, TSA justs makes some people "feel" safe. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 29467991)
Swallowing is done because the digestive tract cavity can hold way more and for longer than the body orifice cavities that work for manual (hand) recovery of concealed goods. For explosives, a smaller quantity of some would make oral, vaginal or rectal concealment practical for the so-inclined. Swallowing of drugs is also done because customs is more likely to look for body orifice concealment than wait for bowel motion movements, induced vomiting or use of some radiologist-type equipment.
Having priority boarding where there is plane-side outdoor valet bag collection on a multi-level cart allows for easy recovery of a dropped laptop on the top of some such wheeled carts. And laptops don’t look as fishy as guns when pulled off the top by a person who had a wheeled bag big enough for larger planes’ bins but too big for a variety of regional jets used by US carriers. I am certain it is do-able even by kids in my high school science class. It’s just that US aviation isn’t the primary target of terrorists and suicidal terrorists on US flights are akin to looking for a million dollar diamond in the Potomac and finding it. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 29469421)
If a person wants to get a bomb on an airplane then this is the most likely method:
Southwest Baggage Handler Admits to Drug Smuggling, Money Launderinghttps://www.flyertalk.com/articles/s...aundering.htmlJust substitute Bomb for marijuana where needed. The point is that TSA has left the backdoor open and unguarded. TSA knows it, I know it, and you should know it! TSA doesn't make us safe, TSA justs makes some people "feel" safe. |
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