Mental Patient Escapes and Flies to San Francisco
Nov 16, 2017, 8:29 am
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Mental Patient Escapes and Flies to San Francisco
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Long story short this dangerous mental patient escapes from hospital in Hawaii, charters a flight to another island then flies commercial to San Francisco all on a fake ID.
Can we chalk this up as another TSA fail? Remind me, why is TSA checking ID?
Long story short this dangerous mental patient escapes from hospital in Hawaii, charters a flight to another island then flies commercial to San Francisco all on a fake ID.
Can we chalk this up as another TSA fail? Remind me, why is TSA checking ID?
Nov 16, 2017, 11:48 am
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Long story short this dangerous mental patient escapes from hospital in Hawaii, charters a flight to another island then flies commercial to San Francisco all on a fake ID.
Can we chalk this up as another TSA fail? Remind me, why is TSA checking ID?
Long story short this dangerous mental patient escapes from hospital in Hawaii, charters a flight to another island then flies commercial to San Francisco all on a fake ID.
Can we chalk this up as another TSA fail? Remind me, why is TSA checking ID?
Nov 17, 2017, 5:41 am
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Long story short this dangerous mental patient escapes from hospital in Hawaii, charters a flight to another island then flies commercial to San Francisco all on a fake ID.
Can we chalk this up as another TSA fail? Remind me, why is TSA checking ID?
Long story short this dangerous mental patient escapes from hospital in Hawaii, charters a flight to another island then flies commercial to San Francisco all on a fake ID.
Can we chalk this up as another TSA fail? Remind me, why is TSA checking ID?
If you read the story you yourself linked, you will see that an arrest warrant was not issued for the offender until 3 days after he had boarded his domestic flight. Even if TSA checked for active warrants, it would not have found one.
Not sure what anyone outside of the hospital, including a law enforcement officer parked down the street, could have done about a person who is not observed to be committing any crime at the time and where there is no warrant or other order available.
Nov 17, 2017, 6:32 am
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Who is "we"? I suppose that anybody can chalk up whatever they want, but they should not.
If you read the story you yourself linked, you will see that an arrest warrant was not issued for the offender until 3 days after he had boarded his domestic flight. Even if TSA checked for active warrants, it would not have found one.
Not sure what anyone outside of the hospital, including a law enforcement officer parked down the street, could have done about a person who is not observed to be committing any crime at the time and where there is no warrant or other order available.
If you read the story you yourself linked, you will see that an arrest warrant was not issued for the offender until 3 days after he had boarded his domestic flight. Even if TSA checked for active warrants, it would not have found one.
Not sure what anyone outside of the hospital, including a law enforcement officer parked down the street, could have done about a person who is not observed to be committing any crime at the time and where there is no warrant or other order available.
Nov 17, 2017, 8:19 am
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Who is "we"? I suppose that anybody can chalk up whatever they want, but they should not.
If you read the story you yourself linked, you will see that an arrest warrant was not issued for the offender until 3 days after he had boarded his domestic flight. Even if TSA checked for active warrants, it would not have found one.
Not sure what anyone outside of the hospital, including a law enforcement officer parked down the street, could have done about a person who is not observed to be committing any crime at the time and where there is no warrant or other order available.
If you read the story you yourself linked, you will see that an arrest warrant was not issued for the offender until 3 days after he had boarded his domestic flight. Even if TSA checked for active warrants, it would not have found one.
Not sure what anyone outside of the hospital, including a law enforcement officer parked down the street, could have done about a person who is not observed to be committing any crime at the time and where there is no warrant or other order available.
The person traveled using a fake ID. He chartered the first flight with cash so it can be guessed that he also used cash for the flight to the mainland. Seems that should have earned him SSSS or perhaps the last minute purchase of a ticket should have drawn some attention yet he still slipped through the tenacious claws of TSA, the agency defending the Front Lines on the War Against Terror.
Nov 17, 2017, 1:05 pm
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The person traveled using a fake ID. He chartered the first flight with cash so it can be guessed that he also used cash for the flight to the mainland. Seems that should have earned him SSSS or perhaps the last minute purchase of a ticket should have drawn some attention yet he still slipped through the tenacious claws of TSA, the agency defending the Front Lines on the War Against Terror.
And, lo and behold, the plane he boarded didn't end up falling to the ground. Huzzah!
Yes, this shows the futility of ID checking as a part of TSA screening.
Nov 17, 2017, 1:59 pm
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I think all of us are happy that nothing bad happened. The issue is that the safeguards that are in place didn't slow this guy down.
If ID checking/validation is such an integral component of the TSA security process then a fake ID shouldn't have made it through the TSA system.
If ID checking/validation is such an integral component of the TSA security process then a fake ID shouldn't have made it through the TSA system.
Nov 17, 2017, 3:15 pm
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I suppose if the ID were really well made, it wouldn't be detected as being a fake by the TSA ID checker.
Though the ID check is a waste to begin with, regardless.
Nov 17, 2017, 6:18 pm
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I'm not sure that Secure Flight failed. Secure Flight isn't supposed to screen for arrest warrants is it? I thought it only checked against the No Fly list and terrorist watch list (or whatever it's called). The person in question wouldn't have shown up on those lists merely from having an arrest warrant due to his escape (which it seems the warrant was issued after he had already flown anyway) Whether the ID was fake or real, if the name doesn't match to a name on one of the lists the person wouldn't be barred from flying.
I suppose if the ID were really well made, it wouldn't be detected as being a fake by the TSA ID checker.
Though the ID check is a waste to begin with, regardless.
I suppose if the ID were really well made, it wouldn't be detected as being a fake by the TSA ID checker.
Though the ID check is a waste to begin with, regardless.
Nov 18, 2017, 5:25 am
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I'm not sure that Secure Flight failed. Secure Flight isn't supposed to screen for arrest warrants is it? I thought it only checked against the No Fly list and terrorist watch list (or whatever it's called). The person in question wouldn't have shown up on those lists merely from having an arrest warrant due to his escape (which it seems the warrant was issued after he had already flown anyway) Whether the ID was fake or real, if the name doesn't match to a name on one of the lists the person wouldn't be barred from flying.
Apparently, all someone needs to do is create a fake identity to get around identity verification. This makes no-fly lists useless for anything other than facilitating meaningless random harassment of people who are not trying to hide their identity.
Nov 18, 2017, 8:00 pm
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Correct. He could be arrested for ID fraudulent. Why he escape from state hospital? He shouldn't leaves from state hospital after all. He should lockup forever. He cannot leaves from mental health or state hospital. He's too extremely dangerous. He could hurts with someone else.
Nov 19, 2017, 1:58 am
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Any screw-up, if any, by TSA in this incident pales in comparison to the preceding fiasco at the mental institution. How does a dangerous sex offender, a murderer, casually stroll out of the facility, hop in a cab, and take a leisurely jaunt to the airport? And to boot, he evidently had sexual relations with three staff members? Nut screws and bolts.
Must be the Maui wowie.
Any screw-up, if any, by TSA in this incident pales in comparison to the preceding fiasco at the mental institution. How does a dangerous sex offender, a murderer, casually stroll out of the facility, hop in a cab, and take a leisurely jaunt to the airport? And to boot, he evidently had sexual relations with three staff members? Nut screws and bolts.
Must be the Maui wowie.
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