who's requiring airlines to ask US green card holders personal questions at check-in?
 

(I waited until I heard from two more people before posting this question, just to rule out the possibility that was a random act of a rogue airline agent :) )

My co-worker and I were checking in for our flight from Switzerland back to the US. I am a US citizen. She is a British citizen who has been a US green card holder for about 20 years, residing in the Bay area.

The agent gave me back my US passport and boarding pass without asking any questions. He then asked my co-worker a bunch of immigration related personal questions. This is how I remember them:

1. What is your occupation?

2. Where is that company located?

3. How long have your worked for them?

4. What was your area of expertise at your job?

5. Are you married?

6. How long have been out of the US?

My co-worker, a well-seasoned int'l traveler, was dumbfounded because no airline employee has ever asked her such questions. The airline agent apologized and said "the computer required to ask me the questions" !!!??? My co-worker was a good sport and just answered them. The airline agent seemed very apologetic and thanked her for answering the questions while she entered the answers into the computer.

I became nosy and asked her "who is asking these questions? the US government or United Airlines?" and she said "I couldn't say"(not sure if she meant couldn't or wouldn't).

The flight was uneventful and when we landed, my co-worker was not asked any other questions, other than the usual CBP chit-chat. She went through faster than I did because the CBP agent who scanned my US passport probably failed typing in high school?(typing with two index fingers only)

Like I stated at the top of this post, I asked another friend and a former co-worker, both green card holders, to see if they've ever experienced anything like this. Apparently they both have. One was NH at at Narita and the other one LH at Munich. The friend is Australian and the former co-worker is German. They said they got asked similar questions by airline check-in agents within the last 3 months, but NEVER experienced such questioning in the dozen+ years they've lived in the US as green card holders.

So... what has changed and what U.S. agency is making those US and foreign airline check-in agents to ask the question? What is the purpose of such questions? :)

The airlines are being required by the US Government to have this done; and for the most part they use US DHS-approved "security" contractors to do these interrogations. The USG requirements put upon the airlines serving the US vary somewhat by airline and port.

This kind of approach has been going on well before the current US President was elected. I saw this exact same kind of stuff happening at ZRH at this time in 2016 for flights headed to the US even on LX.

That makes sense... however, I wonder why my friend and co-workers who have been green card holders for 7 to 20+ years have never been asked such questions when they go overseas and check-in for their return back to the US? They travel a lot, at least 8 or more TATL or TPAC trips a year, according to them.(one of them does almost 200k BIS miles a year just on TATL flights)

Edit: I can't believe they all got "lucky" within the last few months and got asked those questions at foreign airports when checking in for US-bound flights all of a sudden. (not after so many years of never experiencing it) :)

The more frequently a person uses a given airline and its loyalty program for the flown flights, and the more routine a very frequent flying person's flight history is with the airline and its security contractor, the more likely the person is to get a less intense grilling than a person with say a couple of TATL trips a year but spread out on different carriers and to/from different cities.

I've had a GC for 8 years now and even before Trump took office I got this same set of questions twice when flying AA out of MAD and CDG.

Nothing to worry about just classic US fear mongering questioning.

Interesting... I guess my friends just got "lucky" and were never questioned in the previous 7 to 20 years. Or perhaps it also depended on which foreign airports they were checking in at.(Switzerland, Japan, Germany)

Last year, on a U S passport I had a series of questions at Barcelona, done at the checkin desk; when I expressed some impatience, the agent replied "Don't blame me, your government requires this." I wouldn't say they were personal exactly, but there were a lot of them. Departing Iceland this month there was none of that at all.

Now... if a US citizen or green card holder answers the "wrong" kind of answer, what will happen? Denied boarding? Or worse... added to the no-fly list? :(

Most likely selected for SSSS (Secondary Security Screening Selection) treatment.

Up until about 2006, I honestly thought SSSS meant schutz staffel security screening. :( (yes, I was THAT stupid)

Most likely: nothing but more questions until being cleared to board like most others on the same flight.

HaraSSSSment treatment arising from such "answers with the 'wrong' kind of answer" is unlikely.

Hush! That's supposed to be a secret.

Nothing terribly new.

The US carriers have had this in place since at least the 80s for flights from Europe and South America.

There is an illusion that these agents work for the US government (immigration or TSA). They do not. These are contracted employees from companies like Swissport, ICTS, Securicor, etc.

The first interview is prior to check in. Although there are security-related questions, that interview also serves to ensure that the passenger and his or her documents meet the requirements to enter the United States.

The second interview is prior to boarding. It is much shorter, and it is strictly related to security.

Even with their computerized systems--laptops and scanners--one of my relatives entered the United States on an expired visa multiple times. (She passed away, so nobody can come after me for writing that.)

In my experience, Air France, Finnair, Lufthansa, and other large, European carriers simply look at the immigration side of things, foregoing security questions. They also tend to limit this to a single interview (Air France prior to check-in, Lufthansa at the entrance to the Z gates in Frankfurt, etc.)

The SSSS sometimes leads to more questions, but I think it usually just leads to some form of additional hand luggage inspection. In some airports, it means a detailed frisking. And--in the most extreme case (Keflavik)--going to a separate facility to be inspected, questioned, and frisked.

I have been asked no questions at when flying European carriers. The US carriers always go through some form of routine, ranging from pro forma to over-the-top and offensive.

In another thread, we were discussing bizarre and intrusive questions. I had only encountered these on American Airlines, but others corrected me: it's on other US carriers as well.

"It's your government" is a lousy answer. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab and Richard Reid went through the same series of document inspections and interviews. Although nobody was hurt, the system clearly did nothing to protect the passengers and crew.

The US government insists upon these procedures, and has been unyielding in its belief that they protect anyone. I guess it's a job creation program for the security contractors.

I don't think this had anything to do with green card v. citizen.

I'm a US citizen. Sometimes I get this grilling returning from Europe. Sometimes they skip me and grill someone else.

It's worth pointing out they sometimes have this on flights to Canada as well (but it seems to be random if they do it or not)

It has to do with "security" theater, and it's indeed not a US citizen vs US LPR thing.

The interrogators for these flights are paid to show up and make it seem like they are doing something that satisfies those who employed them, those who pay their employer, and those who required that there be this dog and pony show in the name of "security".

I almost always get this (traveling on a US passport) when flying AA from Europe.

LHR T3 is the worst. "What company do you work for? Who's the CEO?" My standard answer is that I work at VersaLife and Bob Page is the CEO. ;)

Weirdly, BA at LHR T5 don't seem to have this, so perhaps they're an exception to this US government mandate somehow?

This is unique to US and Israeli carriers.

The crazy questions are overwhelmingly from American Airlines and their contracted ground staff.

See this thread:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...solidated.htmlhttps://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1731956-aa-enhanced-airport-security-screening-questions-procedures-2016-consolidated.html

It isn't about citizenship, Global Entry, etc. They approach everyone as a potential terrorist, and seem to like asking questions that are insanely personal, inappropriate, rude, crossing ethical boundaries, etc.

Although there are a few reported exceptions, the other airlines just ask if you packed your bags yourself. They don't ask for the names of your children, pets, or boss.

Airline check-in staff should tag bags, print boarding cards, etc. They should not be in the business of pop psychology mind games.

If you want to take their online class on security questioning, it's open to the public (that tells you something right there).

I'm curious about that. Can you provide more information?

Be prepared to laugh at the pseudoscience.
Not to brag, but I got 100 on the test. I even have my certificate ;)

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The best part of the course is a slide featuring Israeli actress Gila Almagor. They ask, "What do you think this woman does for a living?" I thought, "That's Gila Almagor. She's an actress." Probably best not to use a celebrity as your example photo.

The course does not include my all-time fave question from AAmerican AAirlines: "Who was your school headmaster?" That's tight security right there. I'm sure that Richard Reid and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had headmasters at their schools. And they probably knew their names too.

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And I have no idea of the headmaster of any school I ever attended. I guess I must be a terrorist.

I once heard such a ridiculous question being asked of a US LPR I knew. I responded to the question (asked not of me) by saying “are you’re being sexist by assuming that the principals of schools are men? And so should we also assume that you will be racist in your questions?”. The look on the guy’s face was priceless.

My last round of ridiculous questions in the name of “security”was when flying US carriers this week, but I’ve seen some such questions also when flying VS out of say MAN.

Being a US citizen, US LPR, or otherwise a US person, the ridiculous questions when flying US carriers are at their worst for US nationals and LPRs and others who don’t fit into some simple stereotype in the mind of these interrogators.

GUWunder High five for the sexism remark.
I was thinking of something even more evil: "The headmaster? What have you heard? Do you think the allegations are true? Where did you read it?" Questions like that are bound to make Mr. or Ms. Swissport uncomfortable, and it also calls their bluff: they have no idea what the correct answer is. (Indeed there were incidents at my school, so I'd have no trouble forking over excesses of information.)

As for the CEO question, I as also thinking of something to horrify them. "That was ONE TIME at the meeting in Orlando. We'd both had a few too many, and I knew that things were rocky with her husband... How did you find out? Who told you?"

Years ago, Virgin had a particularly weird one. They would take your phone ask, "Who was the last person you called?" I can safely say that I have NO IDEA who I called last or why. I think a nice Seinfeld-ish answer would be good. "Oh, I know who I called. It was the dermatologists' office about the anti-fungal cream. I think it's making it worse. Do you know any thing about skin fungus?"

They key is to be dead serious and to keep talking. It still might get an SSSS but it would be worth it.