Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
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It would be interesting if there's a divergence of other aviation authorities from whatever DHS does.
If the EU bans devices in the cargo hold while DHS requires it because of the cabin ban, one of them is going to come off looking bad after a year or two.
If the EU bans devices in the cargo hold while DHS requires it because of the cabin ban, one of them is going to come off looking bad after a year or two.
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I understand it's the batteries that are difficult to distinguish from a bomb.
In that case, I don't understand why they don't simply forbid big batteries and allow the rest of the electronics. X-rays are perfectly capable of detecting big batteries. Too logical?
In that case, I don't understand why they don't simply forbid big batteries and allow the rest of the electronics. X-rays are perfectly capable of detecting big batteries. Too logical?
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Who would do that background check? What do you think are the chances that DHS is accepting a background check performed by the French? Or the Egyptians?
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Why not simply have the person turn on the electronic device to prove that it is indeed legit? We used to have to do this many years ago...
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As discussed before, the fear/claim is that the bad guys have developed techniques that make the devices work for a short period of time (small battery) while still containing explosive material. Difficult to see how that would work with, say, my Bose earbuds, but ... logic doesn't necessarily apply here. I can also easily take much more than 100 ml of a liquid onto a plane.
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Supposedly the terrorists have figured out how to replace part of the battery with a bomb. This leaves enough of the battery intact to power up the device for a few minutes for a security check, while still containing a working bomb.
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Effective ETD use would do us better than battery bans in passenger cabins that result in batteries in the hold.
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So if the hull carriers say "No LiOn in the cargo bay" and if the security regulations say "no electronics in the passenger compartment" then that means that no electronics will fly (assuming exceptions will be made for airline operated equipment so that flight crews can still use their stuffs.
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For equipment with non-removable batteries, use the current firearm protocol.