Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
May 17, 2017, 3:25 am
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I seriously hope that, if some of the ideas being mooted become true only for EU-US, then a tit-for-tat US-EU measure is put in place that looks remarkably similar to whatever it does look like after John Kelly has shown his cards.
May 17, 2017, 3:26 am
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I should have added sane and safe. The laptop ban is idiotic, for a variety of reasons, I'm very happy that the EU is arguing against it. Someone has to stand up to the US.
May 17, 2017, 3:54 am
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It's not just the British talking and doing the talking against this. The Germans, the French and the Dutch are amongst those involved heading up against a new/expansion ban of sorts. It will be interesting to see if John Kelly can change the weekly news cycle/narrative for his boss.
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May 17, 2017, 5:08 am
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The UK are more likely to have seen the actual intelligence that motivated this than the Germans, French or Dutch. Also the UK Prime Minister was previously home secretary and is towards the law-and-order / security / authoritarian end of the political spectrum. She might be expected to be particularly sympathetic to security arguments. An authorised briefing to the media is therefore particularly significant.
I agree with you about what May is.
May 17, 2017, 6:00 am
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Tourists aren't allowed to take laptops into the White House unless as a very special kind of visitor. The Capitol building also has restrictions on tourist visitors coming in with stuff.
The Capitol building has this, all from the public domain:
The following items are strictly prohibited in the Capitol, including the Capitol Visitor Center:
Prohibited BeveragesProhibited FoodProhibited Weapons
Liquid, including water
Food or beverages of any kind, including fruit and unopened packaged food
Aerosol containers
Non-aerosol spray (Prescriptions for medical needs are permitted.)
Any pointed object, e.g. knitting needles and letter openers (Pens and pencils are permitted.)
Any bag larger than 18" wide x 14" high x 8.5" deep
Electric stun guns, martial arts weapons or devices
Guns, replica guns, ammunition, and fireworks
Knives of any size
Mace and pepper spray
Razors and box cutters
Please note that the U.S. Capitol Police are authorized to make exceptions if a prohibited item is determined to be necessary and required to serve child care, medical or other special needs. If you have questions, please call the Office of Congressional Accessibility Services at 202.224.4048.
The following items are not allowed in the Senate and House Galleries:
Battery-operated electronic devices (medical devices are permitted)
Cameras
Cans and bottles
Creams, lotions or perfume
Packages, briefcases, backpacks or suitcases
Strollers
Video recorders or any type of recording device
Prohibited BeveragesProhibited FoodProhibited Weapons
Liquid, including water
Food or beverages of any kind, including fruit and unopened packaged food
Aerosol containers
Non-aerosol spray (Prescriptions for medical needs are permitted.)
Any pointed object, e.g. knitting needles and letter openers (Pens and pencils are permitted.)
Any bag larger than 18" wide x 14" high x 8.5" deep
Electric stun guns, martial arts weapons or devices
Guns, replica guns, ammunition, and fireworks
Knives of any size
Mace and pepper spray
Razors and box cutters
Please note that the U.S. Capitol Police are authorized to make exceptions if a prohibited item is determined to be necessary and required to serve child care, medical or other special needs. If you have questions, please call the Office of Congressional Accessibility Services at 202.224.4048.
The following items are not allowed in the Senate and House Galleries:
Battery-operated electronic devices (medical devices are permitted)
Cameras
Cans and bottles
Creams, lotions or perfume
Packages, briefcases, backpacks or suitcases
Strollers
Video recorders or any type of recording device
May 17, 2017, 8:46 am
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Next stop: "the Israelis told us (about this threat) and they are right on security", or something like that.
How the narrative keeps getting "fixed".
How the narrative keeps getting "fixed".
May 17, 2017, 11:09 am
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Someone in the UK has apparently been talking to the newspapers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-eu-officials/
> Senior officials in Whitehall told The Telegraph on Tuesday that the UK security establishment did not believe a laptop ban was justified and were working, alongside European officials, to convince Washington it was unnecessary.
> "We just don't think a laptop ban is justified," the source said, "not for flights from Europe or from the UK."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-eu-officials/
> Senior officials in Whitehall told The Telegraph on Tuesday that the UK security establishment did not believe a laptop ban was justified and were working, alongside European officials, to convince Washington it was unnecessary.
> "We just don't think a laptop ban is justified," the source said, "not for flights from Europe or from the UK."
May 17, 2017, 11:11 am
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May 17, 2017, 11:18 am
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The "logic" goes like this: Bomb in object X caused accident, thus ban object x.
May 17, 2017, 11:31 am
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Sounded more recent than that, with the claims that they were able to integrate explosive material with battery packs, leaving enough battery to function and for this sabotaged device to pass airport scanners, which apparently ISIS has access to.
May 17, 2017, 11:58 am
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“Why did you not do something if you knew about the threat to laptop computers from Europe?”
Go figure...
May 17, 2017, 12:49 pm
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Press Office
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Press Release
May 17, 2017
Contact: DHS Press Office, 202-282-8010
JOINT STATEMENT BY THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION AND DHS ON AVIATION SECURITY COOPERATION
BRUSSELS – Today, European Commissioner for Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship, Dimitris Avramopoulos, and European Commissioner for Transport, Violeta Bulc, hosted a delegation from the United States in Brussels, led by Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke, to discuss issues related to aviation security and safety.
At the meeting, both sides exchanged information on the serious evolving threats to aviation security and approaches to confronting such threats. Participants provided insight into existing aviation security standards and detection capabilities as well as recent security enhancements on both sides of the Atlantic related to large electronic devices placed in checked baggage.
The United States and the European Union reaffirmed their commitment to continue working closely together on aviation security generally, including meeting next week in Washington D.C. to further assess shared risks and solutions for protecting airline passengers, whilst ensuring the smooth functioning of global air travel.
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