Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
May 10, 2017, 7:02 pm
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For example, I have two other reasons for not replying:
(1) Nothing I have to say would really add anything to the discussion, and
(2) What I want to say is not allowed in FT forums.
May 10, 2017, 7:05 pm
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judging by the lack of responses to this thread, is it safe to safe that the majority of the people just don't care anymore?
May 10, 2017, 7:10 pm
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They indicated that one idea floated was a complete ban of electronics from aircraft, both checked and carried....However, if what I have heard is even remotely close to what comes to be, then this pretty much will kill all business travel and likely most international travel.
Of course, a complete ban of personal electronics would put a damper on DHS's plans to snoop through the social media accounts, electronic files, etc. of non-US citizens upon their arrival at any border checkpoint in a US airport.
And yes, any ban that includes putting laptops in checked luggage will kill business and probably a lot of government travel as well.
May 10, 2017, 7:35 pm
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Implications of laptops banned as carry-ons
I just read that Homeland Security is considering banning laptops as carry-ons on flights from Europe to the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/b...T.nav=top-news
It left me thinking about all my business trips where I'm away for 72 hours and just take my carry-on. I couldn't work without a laptop, but it would be such a shame to have to check (and wait for a checked bag) simply to bring a laptop on a trip. I wonder if Delta will take a position on this? Will it really influence business travel or just be an inconvenience?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/b...T.nav=top-news
It left me thinking about all my business trips where I'm away for 72 hours and just take my carry-on. I couldn't work without a laptop, but it would be such a shame to have to check (and wait for a checked bag) simply to bring a laptop on a trip. I wonder if Delta will take a position on this? Will it really influence business travel or just be an inconvenience?
May 10, 2017, 7:39 pm
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I just read that Homeland Security is considering banning laptops as carry-ons on flights from Europe to the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/b...T.nav=top-news
It left me thinking about all my business trips where I'm away for 72 hours and just take my carry-on. I couldn't work without a laptop, but it would be such a shame to have to check (and wait for a checked bag) simply to bring a laptop on a trip. I wonder if Delta will take a position on this? Will it really influence business travel or just be an inconvenience?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/b...T.nav=top-news
It left me thinking about all my business trips where I'm away for 72 hours and just take my carry-on. I couldn't work without a laptop, but it would be such a shame to have to check (and wait for a checked bag) simply to bring a laptop on a trip. I wonder if Delta will take a position on this? Will it really influence business travel or just be an inconvenience?
May 10, 2017, 7:46 pm
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I've been lurking on this thread, and any possible laptop/electronics ban would adversely affect my travel. For instance, I was getting ready to plan a trip to the Mediterranean in the near future. Depending on the outcomes of a possible ban, I may not book the trip.
I would echo a couple of the other posts here. the Checkpoints and Borders Policy Debate doesn't quite get the traffic of the old combined Travel Safety/Security topic from 7 or 8 years ago. If one isn't a regular reader of this group or some of the blogs, then the FT member likely wouldn't see the post.
May 10, 2017, 7:51 pm
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I don't often travel with my laptop anymore, but I usually have a M4/3 camera and a couple of lenses and my iPad and a Kindle with me. I might just prioritize travel to destinations that don't subject me to the risk of loss or damage in the short term and hope that drops in bookings will motivate the airline lobby to exert some pressure that individual travelers probably lack (I will fire off a letter to my congress critters, too).
A mainstream media report - Marketplace on NPR today. - motivated me to check out this forum again.
May 10, 2017, 8:01 pm
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One thing the presenters said seemed to make more sense to me.... Quote: "banning such devices on Europe to America flights makes no sense... the bad people can just make the bad devices and fly on domestic U.S. flights.... just like all the September 11 hijackers were on domestic U.S. flights... ... unless the US authorities' intent is to implement the same ban to all domestic U.S. flight at a later date?"
May 10, 2017, 8:05 pm
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Yeah, that's the thing: Traveling for work and the airline looses my pants- I can solve that problem. But arriving for a meeting without my computer is a much more challenging situation.
A lot of people also use that flight time to get a lot of work done. I wonder if some people will be more reluctant to attend a meeting in person if it means loosing that extra work time?
A lot of people also use that flight time to get a lot of work done. I wonder if some people will be more reluctant to attend a meeting in person if it means loosing that extra work time?
May 10, 2017, 8:07 pm
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What scares me is that I plan my vacations months in advance, and what is not affected by the ban today could be in six months or so. Who knows how far and how fast this idiocy will spread?
May 10, 2017, 8:12 pm
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May 10, 2017, 8:13 pm
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I was just watching news about it on a major respected European news network.
One thing the presenters said seemed to make more sense to me.... Quote: "banning such devices on Europe to America flights makes no sense... the bad people can just make the bad devices and fly on domestic U.S. flights.... just like all the September 11 hijackers were on domestic U.S. flights... ... unless the US authorities' intent is to implement the same ban to all domestic U.S. flight at a later date?"
One thing the presenters said seemed to make more sense to me.... Quote: "banning such devices on Europe to America flights makes no sense... the bad people can just make the bad devices and fly on domestic U.S. flights.... just like all the September 11 hijackers were on domestic U.S. flights... ... unless the US authorities' intent is to implement the same ban to all domestic U.S. flight at a later date?"
What does logic have to do with security theater?! Government policies aren't supposed to actually make sense!A part of me almost hopes this DOES spread to affect domestic US flights. I've always been struck by the reality that those who defend airport security theater the most are generally the least-traveled - but even those folks may occasionally want to fly to Vegas or Disney World. If they had to check their iPads in their suitcase only to have them stolen or broken with no compensation forthcoming from the airlines, that might just wake them up. (Not to mention that even those who don't fly would be greatly affected by the total havok such a ban would cause in the US economy.)