Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
May 16, 2017, 2:59 am
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May 16, 2017, 3:14 am
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May 16, 2017, 4:37 am
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I'm going to hazard a guess here, but depending on the option chosen I suspect that some airlines might offer some sort of "secure shipment" program with guaranteed 24-hour delivery, heightened insurance levels, and any security work to either be done at the time the device is handed over [1] or, if not then, only with a warrant/court order (or something like that) complementary to pax in J/F and for a fee in Y (or complementary in F and for a fee in J/Y). Back in "the day" it was not at all uncommon for railroads to offer something like this (sans the security stuff) if you were traveling on a train with no checked luggage (and indeed, you can still do something like this on Amtrak under the right circumstances). I want to say that "send the luggage on a later flight" deals might also have been done with the Concorde.
To be fair, this won't avoid the issue of having a bunch of laptops on a single cargo flight, but it's better than nothing and I do suspect that given a set of guarantees and controls this would work for most folks. The main jam would be Customs, but even there I could see some sort of agreement coming to pass kludging around that. CBP might not like it but I suspect that depending on the attached T&C something could be worked out (perhaps requiring an in-person pickup instead of home delivery).
[1] Which would probably mean, in practice, most of the PEDs having to go through a "swabbing ceremony" at that point...but as noted in a Bloomberg article, there are folks who will go through a lot of hassles to avoid risking their stuff being hacked.
To be fair, this won't avoid the issue of having a bunch of laptops on a single cargo flight, but it's better than nothing and I do suspect that given a set of guarantees and controls this would work for most folks. The main jam would be Customs, but even there I could see some sort of agreement coming to pass kludging around that. CBP might not like it but I suspect that depending on the attached T&C something could be worked out (perhaps requiring an in-person pickup instead of home delivery).
[1] Which would probably mean, in practice, most of the PEDs having to go through a "swabbing ceremony" at that point...but as noted in a Bloomberg article, there are folks who will go through a lot of hassles to avoid risking their stuff being hacked.
May 16, 2017, 4:44 am
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I'm going to hazard a guess here, but depending on the option chosen I suspect that some airlines might offer some sort of "secure shipment" program with guaranteed 24-hour delivery, heightened insurance levels, and any security work to either be done at the time the device is handed over [1] or, if not then, only with a warrant/court order (or something like that) complementary to pax in J/F and for a fee in Y (or complementary in F and for a fee in J/Y). Back in "the day" it was not at all uncommon for railroads to offer something like this (sans the security stuff) if you were traveling on a train with no checked luggage (and indeed, you can still do something like this on Amtrak under the right circumstances). I want to say that "send the luggage on a later flight" deals might also have been done with the Concorde.
To be fair, this won't avoid the issue of having a bunch of laptops on a single cargo flight, but it's better than nothing and I do suspect that given a set of guarantees and controls this would work for most folks. The main jam would be Customs, but even there I could see some sort of agreement coming to pass kludging around that. CBP might not like it but I suspect that depending on the attached T&C something could be worked out (perhaps requiring an in-person pickup instead of home delivery).
[1] Which would probably mean, in practice, most of the PEDs having to go through a "swabbing ceremony" at that point...but as noted in a Bloomberg article, there are folks who will go through a lot of hassles to avoid risking their stuff being hacked.
To be fair, this won't avoid the issue of having a bunch of laptops on a single cargo flight, but it's better than nothing and I do suspect that given a set of guarantees and controls this would work for most folks. The main jam would be Customs, but even there I could see some sort of agreement coming to pass kludging around that. CBP might not like it but I suspect that depending on the attached T&C something could be worked out (perhaps requiring an in-person pickup instead of home delivery).
[1] Which would probably mean, in practice, most of the PEDs having to go through a "swabbing ceremony" at that point...but as noted in a Bloomberg article, there are folks who will go through a lot of hassles to avoid risking their stuff being hacked.
May 16, 2017, 5:35 am
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If the ban is on all international flights, take a cruise. Perhaps make that cruise your honeymoon! If the ban includes domestic flights and you're starting in the middle of Canada (Manitoba, heh?) start your journey to your cruise ship with a romantic scenic rail trip.
Or just do it in true style and charter a private jet. Your new wife deserves it.
May 16, 2017, 5:51 am
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Some of the kitchen sink people are trying to save the time waiting for their checked bag to come out on the belt. Thus they carry on. If they have to wait anyway for their laptop, there is no longer that advantage to carrying on, so they may check their kitchen sink with the laptop in it.
May 16, 2017, 6:03 am
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Some of the kitchen sink people are trying to save the time waiting for their checked bag to come out on the belt. Thus they carry on. If they have to wait anyway for their laptop, there is no longer that advantage to carrying on, so they may check their kitchen sink with the laptop in it.
So I do agree that the laptop ban could reduce pressure on overhead bins, but because business travelers have less incentive to carry their rollaboard on because they have to check the laptop anyway. Of course, that depends upon how airlines and security implement the ban. If laptops can be gate checked, it may help less with stuffed overhead bins.
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May 16, 2017, 6:11 am
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I disagree. Business travelers and other frequent are certainly, in many cases, carrying on to avoid waiting for bags at the belt, but I think most of the and the kitchen sink travelers are either avoiding bag fees or, on international flights, maximizing the stuff they carry (which is really a subset of avoiding bag fees, just fees for second/third bags rather than first).
So I do agree that the laptop ban could reduce pressure on overhead bins, but because business travelers have less incentive to carry their rollaboard on because they have to check the laptop anyway. Of course, that depends upon how airlines and security implement the ban. If laptops can be gate checked, it may help less with stuffed overhead bins.
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So I do agree that the laptop ban could reduce pressure on overhead bins, but because business travelers have less incentive to carry their rollaboard on because they have to check the laptop anyway. Of course, that depends upon how airlines and security implement the ban. If laptops can be gate checked, it may help less with stuffed overhead bins.
+1
May 16, 2017, 7:13 am
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May 16, 2017, 7:25 am
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...16-gw5rkr.html
Hopefully Australia only "considers" it and doesn't implement.
Asked on Tuesday if the government was considering a similar restriction on large electronic devices brought from some international hubs, [Australian PM] Mr Turnbull said the government was "looking at it very closely", and taking advice on the matter.
"We're working very closely with our partners and, in due course, any announcements will be made formally through the Transport Minister," he said.
"We're working very closely with our partners and, in due course, any announcements will be made formally through the Transport Minister," he said.
May 16, 2017, 7:27 am
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I'm sure there will be exemptions for medical equipment. However, I have no doubt that people will be hassled for bringing medical devices. Of course there is always the chance that "screener's discretion" could be used to prevent someone from bringing medical devices through security.
May 16, 2017, 7:52 am
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May 16, 2017, 9:03 am
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What's to stop the European terrorists from taking a flight to a South American country that doesn't require a visa, buying whatever it is they are allegedly using to build laptop bombs there, and then flying to the US withe laptop in the cabin?
There are plenty of nonstop flights from multiple South American cities to the US on the 3 US carriers. The plane might explode overland instead of the Atlantic but the end result would be the same.
There are plenty of nonstop flights from multiple South American cities to the US on the 3 US carriers. The plane might explode overland instead of the Atlantic but the end result would be the same.