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Old May 3, 2017, 2:33 pm
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Prior TSA/DHS leadership has, however, excelled at creating a market for an expensive new security tool looking for a deep-pocketed buyer.
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Old May 3, 2017, 4:29 pm
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I vote we all pick a day, maybe an entire week, that we refuse to comply with the TSA's ridiculous requests... At some point the people need to say ENOUGH! Before we are all having to give hair and blood samples at checkin...
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Old May 3, 2017, 5:56 pm
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The paper initiative is supposedly explained. Sort of. It was a pilot program that's going to go national and now it might just be a TSA-approved program by a private contractor that will not migrate to all airports.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...148384019.html

I wonder if this is somehow tied to bonuses (which apparently run in the thousands, even for those fairly low in rank). Perhaps Kelly has told his FSDs that their bonuses will be tied to their airport's Red Team tests - or whichever airport comes up with a new procedure that impresses the public or, better yet, improves the Red Team score.
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Old May 3, 2017, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by WillCAD
It's pretty obvious to me that they're actively looking for drugs, cash, and child porn. "Looking for explosives" is a transparent excuse for any of this - a proper ETD swab or explosives sniffing canine would pick up real explosives far more efficiently than a TSO manually pawing through any of these items.
I've been saying this for years. Just about every "enhancement" to TSA security is far more effective against drug mules than terrorists, and sometimes they reduce the effectiveness against terrorists (the NoS--can't see metal beside the body, period, and can't see explosives that are feathered against the body. Hence it can't see a well-hidden bomb, period.)
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Old May 3, 2017, 6:32 pm
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Originally Posted by sunshinekid
Two things

1. TSA is reactionary, so I would tend to support your assesment about war on Food & Paper.

2. In my experience it appears Airport screeners do not want to do things like pat downs, bag checks, deal with animals that alarm. The lack of interest is taken out on the traveler via the yelling and barking by the screener demanding that tic tacs and pocket lint removed from pockets
Obviously--things would go smoother if there were no alarms and they make the mistake of thinking that barking at passengers that cause alarms will get them to stop causing alarms.
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Old May 3, 2017, 7:19 pm
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
Guess I should start carrying a copy of the Koran. Actually, a copy of the Greek New testament or the Hebrew Old testament would do the trick.
Toss in a copy of the Gideon Bible and the Book of Mormon for good measure.
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Old May 3, 2017, 7:50 pm
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I vote we all pick a day, maybe an entire week, that we refuse to comply with the TSA's ridiculous requests... At some point the people need to say ENOUGH! Before we are all having to give hair and blood samples at checkin...
Why ever remove the items you are being yelled at remove?
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Old May 3, 2017, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by chollie
The paper initiative is supposedly explained. Sort of. It was a pilot program that's going to go national and now it might just be a TSA-approved program by a private contractor that will not migrate to all airports.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...148384019.html

I wonder if this is somehow tied to bonuses (which apparently run in the thousands, even for those fairly low in rank). Perhaps Kelly has told his FSDs that their bonuses will be tied to their airport's Red Team tests - or whichever airport comes up with a new procedure that impresses the public or, better yet, improves the Red Team score.
What a ridiculous statement from TSA. TSA acts like it did not have a clue what Akal was doing. But Akal can do nothing without the advice and consent of TSA management. Tsa management is at and is required to be at private screening airports.
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Old May 3, 2017, 8:27 pm
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Quite clever, isn't it? TSA rolls out a test program at an airport with private screening. When the pax start screaming, TSA suspends the test and implies that the local private security screwed things up and TSA came in to save the day and restore order.
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Old May 4, 2017, 2:56 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Knowing the broad scope of plans would in no way compromise the security process. Once one of these odd ball procedures is announced its all over various internet sites such as twitter and here.

TSA is their own worse enemy.
Moreover, I'd point out that the TSA's pattern of behavior has persisted across three separate presidential administrations.

@chollie: And the irony is that as far as I can tell, doing that doesn't save them much (if any) face rendering it a farcical exercise. Of course, I'm looking at this from the PoV of a jaded traveler who views the TSA patch as a badge of shame for anyone unfortunate enough to wear it, so I probably don't have the least biased perspective on this out there.

With that said, it does occur to me that if the contractor did their homework and made sure they had a paper trail they could make the TSA look pretty bad in turn...particularly if a local TV station or newspaper was game for working with them with spinning it.
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Old May 4, 2017, 5:05 am
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Moreover, I'd point out that the TSA's pattern of behavior has persisted across three separate presidential administrations.

@chollie: And the irony is that as far as I can tell, doing that doesn't save them much (if any) face rendering it a farcical exercise. Of course, I'm looking at this from the PoV of a jaded traveler who views the TSA patch as a badge of shame for anyone unfortunate enough to wear it, so I probably don't have the least biased perspective on this out there.

With that said, it does occur to me that if the contractor did their homework and made sure they had a paper trail they could make the TSA look pretty bad in turn...particularly if a local TV station or newspaper was game for working with them with spinning it.

TSA screeners choose to wear TSA insignia. No one forces them to debase themselves.

If the contractor said anything TSA would likely retaliate claiming they released SSI.
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Old May 4, 2017, 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
Moreover, I'd point out that the TSA's pattern of behavior has persisted across three separate presidential administrations.

@chollie: And the irony is that as far as I can tell, doing that doesn't save them much (if any) face rendering it a farcical exercise. Of course, I'm looking at this from the PoV of a jaded traveler who views the TSA patch as a badge of shame for anyone unfortunate enough to wear it, so I probably don't have the least biased perspective on this out there.

With that said, it does occur to me that if the contractor did their homework and made sure they had a paper trail they could make the TSA look pretty bad in turn...particularly if a local TV station or newspaper was game for working with them with spinning it.
The TSA's pattern of behavior is not consistent across Admins. The TSA's most intrusive behavior is taking place under the current Admin, not under the prior two.
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Old May 4, 2017, 6:08 am
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Originally Posted by chollie
Quite clever, isn't it? TSA rolls out a test program at an airport with private screening. When the pax start screaming, TSA suspends the test and implies that the local private security screwed things up and TSA came in to save the day and restore order.
Is this KCI? I believe this was the first report of the paper issue.

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Old May 4, 2017, 7:32 am
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Nope, that's not Kansas City.
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Old May 4, 2017, 7:58 am
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
Moreover, I'd point out that the TSA's pattern of behavior has persisted across three separate presidential administrations.

@chollie: And the irony is that as far as I can tell, doing that doesn't save them much (if any) face rendering it a farcical exercise. Of course, I'm looking at this from the PoV of a jaded traveler who views the TSA patch as a badge of shame for anyone unfortunate enough to wear it, so I probably don't have the least biased perspective on this out there.

With that said, it does occur to me that if the contractor did their homework and made sure they had a paper trail they could make the TSA look pretty bad in turn...particularly if a local TV station or newspaper was game for working with them with spinning it.
Their homework was saying "yes sir/mam" to the TSA manager who told wh them to to initiate "Operation Paper Wait" Theiir homework was also saving the email and training materials deacribing the operation
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