All Food and Electronics Larger than Cellphones out for Screening
May 29, 17, 10:53 am
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There are many legitimate criticisms of the TSA's security theater, but given the CYA attitude of those in charge and the general public's support for this nonsense, I'm not optimistic.
May 29, 17, 12:11 pm
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I guess the takeaway from this thread is that currently TSA is paying a lot more attention to food and electronics. It's somewhere beyond the 'pilot program' stage and a large scale change in rules.
I don't know that I can do anything different to prepare, other than showing up even earlier than I already do. I pack for weight-balance-protection-efficiency. This will probably be easier for folks who are accustomed to organizing everything in readily-removable packing cubes.
I don't know that I can do anything different to prepare, other than showing up even earlier than I already do. I pack for weight-balance-protection-efficiency. This will probably be easier for folks who are accustomed to organizing everything in readily-removable packing cubes.
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May 29, 17, 4:50 pm
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May 29, 17, 5:32 pm
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At IAD on Sunday, I noticed the Pre line no longer actually checks / scans your BP at all (there is an airport employee at the head of the line who glances at your BP for TSAPre logo, but that's it). They now scan your ID and don't bother to confirm it matches BP at all (interesting, if logical in real-people thinking, just not logical in TSA thinking). But that is fodder for another thread--just have to find the right one...
However, they did not seem to pay any additional attention to electronics. I had my laptop, Kindle, phone, big lithium ion battery pack, and more in my laptop bag, not to mention a rollaboard full of DSLR equipment. They pulled my laptop bag ... to look at a pen. Yep, just a pen. Didn't swab any of the electronics, didn't even pull them out.
However, they did not seem to pay any additional attention to electronics. I had my laptop, Kindle, phone, big lithium ion battery pack, and more in my laptop bag, not to mention a rollaboard full of DSLR equipment. They pulled my laptop bag ... to look at a pen. Yep, just a pen. Didn't swab any of the electronics, didn't even pull them out.
May 30, 17, 3:18 pm
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New CT equipment can't find explosives which is why TSA opens so many checked bags and items within those bags. I do believe that soon everything in a carry-on bag will be required to be removed and placed in a bin.
And while I am at it, since TSA believes that parents who refuse to allow food for their infants to be opened need to be thoroughly groped and tested for explosives, why not just test everyone for explosives? If residue is going to transfer from "explosive" baby food, it's going to transfer from "explosive" electronics and granola bars also.
As with the electronics-in-the-hold boondoggle, if there is a true threat, then such attempts to ameliorate said threat should have been instituted immediately and across the board. No "pilot programs" or negotiating with the EU.
And while I am at it, since TSA believes that parents who refuse to allow food for their infants to be opened need to be thoroughly groped and tested for explosives, why not just test everyone for explosives? If residue is going to transfer from "explosive" baby food, it's going to transfer from "explosive" electronics and granola bars also.
As with the electronics-in-the-hold boondoggle, if there is a true threat, then such attempts to ameliorate said threat should have been instituted immediately and across the board. No "pilot programs" or negotiating with the EU.
As for the electronics ban, as I have said on the other thread, the threat isn't an imminent threat. The threat is likely 6 months out from being truly implementable. The ban out of the ME-10 cities is based on two things, the closeness of the threat to those locations, and political concerns (not going Omni on this). If/when the threat becomes imminent you would/will see a complete ban on these items without any negotiation. However, since it is not imminent, they are "willing" to engage in "talks" over its implementation.
May 30, 17, 6:23 pm
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Moderator's Note: Please let's get back on topic
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May 31, 17, 1:17 pm
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I've read this entire thread, but I still don't understand why TSA wants to confiscate food instead of just examining it? Do they really think a granola bar is a threat? I like granola bars and usually travel with some, like 1 million other people.
May 31, 17, 1:28 pm
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Snacks, including granola bars, are organic. Some very nasty explosive substances are 'organic'.
TSO xray techs have apparently recently discovered that they have trouble distinguishing food from explosives.
If paper is any indicator, part of the issue is the shape. A brick of cheese almost always draws attention because it looks like a 'brick' of something nasty. Perhaps that's part of the issue with granola bars.
Confiscate? Well, the alternative is to open it and swab it, plus give the pax a full grope - the same procedures often used to clear baby foods. Perhaps some screeners don't want the hassle.
TSO xray techs have apparently recently discovered that they have trouble distinguishing food from explosives.
If paper is any indicator, part of the issue is the shape. A brick of cheese almost always draws attention because it looks like a 'brick' of something nasty. Perhaps that's part of the issue with granola bars.
Confiscate? Well, the alternative is to open it and swab it, plus give the pax a full grope - the same procedures often used to clear baby foods. Perhaps some screeners don't want the hassle.
May 31, 17, 1:47 pm
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Is water a threat, is baby food a threat? I would say no but that doesn't matter to TSA.
May 31, 17, 7:08 pm
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Jun 2, 17, 6:01 pm
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At IAD on Sunday, I noticed the Pre line no longer actually checks / scans your BP at all (there is an airport employee at the head of the line who glances at your BP for TSAPre logo, but that's it). They now scan your ID and don't bother to confirm it matches BP at all (interesting, if logical in real-people thinking, just not logical in TSA thinking). But that is fodder for another thread--just have to find the right one...
However, they did not seem to pay any additional attention to electronics. I had my laptop, Kindle, phone, big lithium ion battery pack, and more in my laptop bag, not to mention a rollaboard full of DSLR equipment. They pulled my laptop bag ... to look at a pen. Yep, just a pen. Didn't swab any of the electronics, didn't even pull them out.
However, they did not seem to pay any additional attention to electronics. I had my laptop, Kindle, phone, big lithium ion battery pack, and more in my laptop bag, not to mention a rollaboard full of DSLR equipment. They pulled my laptop bag ... to look at a pen. Yep, just a pen. Didn't swab any of the electronics, didn't even pull them out.
Jun 11, 17, 10:56 am
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At SMF / Sacramento, California, TSA screeners began requiring passengers remove all reading material - books, magazines, etc. - and all personal food items from carry on for placement into inspection bins / trays.
When asked about why this "policy" was required, a screener said "I don't know, it's new". (Brings to mind another time and another circumstance, where a proper response was "Jawohl, I will follow orders, Herr Hauptmann.")
Wotinell is this new invasion of privacy about?
Link to related article "Hands off my books, TSA. And leave my cookies alone." Opinion piece by Prof. Julie Sze of U C - Davis, 11 Jun 2017.
When asked about why this "policy" was required, a screener said "I don't know, it's new". (Brings to mind another time and another circumstance, where a proper response was "Jawohl, I will follow orders, Herr Hauptmann.")
Wotinell is this new invasion of privacy about?
Link to related article "Hands off my books, TSA. And leave my cookies alone." Opinion piece by Prof. Julie Sze of U C - Davis, 11 Jun 2017.
Jun 12, 17, 5:33 pm
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At SMF / Sacramento, California, TSA screeners began requiring passengers remove all reading material - books, magazines, etc. - and all personal food items from carry on for placement into inspection bins / trays.
When asked about why this "policy" was required, a screener said "I don't know, it's new". (Brings to mind another time and another circumstance, where a proper response was "Jawohl, I will follow orders, Herr Hauptmann.")
Wotinell is this new invasion of privacy about?
Link to related article "Hands off my books, TSA. And leave my cookies alone." Opinion piece by Prof. Julie Sze of U C - Davis, 11 Jun 2017.
When asked about why this "policy" was required, a screener said "I don't know, it's new". (Brings to mind another time and another circumstance, where a proper response was "Jawohl, I will follow orders, Herr Hauptmann.")
Wotinell is this new invasion of privacy about?
Link to related article "Hands off my books, TSA. And leave my cookies alone." Opinion piece by Prof. Julie Sze of U C - Davis, 11 Jun 2017.
