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US/UK Electronics bans discussion
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Electronic Devices Banned on Flights to US & UK from 10 ME Countries
Mar 21, 2017, 5:56 am
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DHS is using the incident described below
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35521646
as the reason for the need for this ban.
Where are those American ETD salespeople? Their lobbyists must be very excited to have another opportunity to cash in.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35521646
as the reason for the need for this ban.
Where are those American ETD salespeople? Their lobbyists must be very excited to have another opportunity to cash in.
TSA has been very slow to react if this was the incident that preceded this newest regulation. Just like the new sexual assault procedure is allegedly in as a result of the testing failures of 2015.
Mar 21, 2017, 6:17 am
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I cannot imagine the joy some "bad apples" who like to take stuff out of peoples luggages are having at this decision. i also have professional camera equipment and I am flying TK to LAX beginning next month. it is absolutely crazy to not be able to carry your camera equipment with you.
how are they expecting thousands of passengers to check in laptops and other electronics in their luggage without providing any guarantee or security for those items.
this is nuts.
i think US has successfully succeeded in banning not just muslim people, but anyone with a laptop from the 13 countries to voluntarily not board a plane.
very clever.
how are they expecting thousands of passengers to check in laptops and other electronics in their luggage without providing any guarantee or security for those items.
this is nuts.
i think US has successfully succeeded in banning not just muslim people, but anyone with a laptop from the 13 countries to voluntarily not board a plane.
very clever.
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Mar 21, 2017, 6:27 am
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I'm just waiting for someone to try to claim this ban is as a result of information collected during the messy US military raid in Yemen earlier this year, but there is nothing new out of there either in terms of developments of explosives.
Mar 21, 2017, 6:37 am
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Affected airlines, per LA Times:
The ban affects nine airlines: Royal Jordanian, Egyptair, Turkish Airlines, Royal Air Maroc, Saudia Airlines, Kuwait Airways, Qatar Airways, Emirates and Etihad Airways; the airlines operate about 50 daily flights to the U.S., according to the administration officials.
U.S. officials would not say how long the ban will continue, saying only that it will be reevaluated on a regular basis. They also would not comment on why checking an electronic device in the cargo compartment is safer than carrying it in the cabin.
U.S. officials would not say how long the ban will continue, saying only that it will be reevaluated on a regular basis. They also would not comment on why checking an electronic device in the cargo compartment is safer than carrying it in the cabin.
Mar 21, 2017, 6:39 am
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Mar 21, 2017, 6:47 am
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A thieves' feast indeed, as it was at LHR when this kind of thing was in play there for US-bound flights. But for Montreal Convention-covered travel, electronics in checked luggage are covered by the airline for loss/theft/damage even as the contract of carriage may claim otherwise. There was a US DOT publication on how the contract of carriage doesn't invalidate claims under the Montreal Convention for baggage irregularities.
Mar 21, 2017, 6:49 am
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Flying DOH to LAX next weekend on Qatar. Really looking forward to that trip now . . .
Do gooders rushed right to court to block the 90-day suspension of travel from those countries until vetting could be improved. What do you think the chances are of them rushing to court for this? [Next to zero]
Who cares about business travelers? [Nobody]
We're screwed.
Do gooders rushed right to court to block the 90-day suspension of travel from those countries until vetting could be improved. What do you think the chances are of them rushing to court for this? [Next to zero]
Who cares about business travelers? [Nobody]
We're screwed.
Mar 21, 2017, 6:54 am
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The targeted: 8 countries, 9 airlines. How many of those countries' airports have service to the US? It's at least 10 airports in those countries with service to the US.
This should reduce the number of passenger electronics that CBP may subject to data collection and data search efforts at US ports of entry. Is that part of the goal?
This should reduce the number of passenger electronics that CBP may subject to data collection and data search efforts at US ports of entry. Is that part of the goal?
Mar 21, 2017, 7:00 am
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This is a huge pain as someone who has to take EK out of Dubai and RJ out of Amman because of USG-negotiated city pairs. These routes are Jet Blue and AA code shares accordingly, and USG employees on official travel have to take these routes. What's going to happen when a State Dept employee has to check a work-issued laptop that disappears from their luggage??
Mar 21, 2017, 7:11 am
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I think we will be among the first victims... flying DOH-LAX on 3/23 (local) / 3/22 (USA time). And we are connecting. Should be quite the mess.
If you were the bad guys this policy... bla bla bla.
If you were the bad guys this policy... bla bla bla.
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Mar 21, 2017, 7:19 am
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The ME3 should cancel all Boeing orders in retaliation.
Mar 21, 2017, 7:25 am
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In other words, IF checked devices (we are talking only about laptops, tablets and similar devices) ARE NOT powered on or being charged, they do not increase threat to airplane while in cargo section.
Increased threat to get these devices stolen at departure/arrivals is completely different matter.
P.S. Before anyone starts arguing and mentioning recent ban regarding large capacity batteries and powerpacks: laptop computers and tablets have much smaller batteries than these under that ban.
Mar 21, 2017, 7:27 am
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Seems like a game of "how ridiculous can we get"? Flying long hauls without a Kindle is basically asking passengers to fight with the flight attendants out of boredom - all it will do is create problems. And please donīt tell me I can take a book - I read an average of 4-5 books per international trip, and will not give up the simple and 100% safe technology of the Kindle in the name of fake security.
Mar 21, 2017, 7:36 am
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The thing is - you can't ignite/detonate/explode batteries remotely - that's not how physics/chemistry works. Neither they present threat when they are not used - either by being charged or being used when providing current to electronics.
In other words, IF checked devices (we are talking only about laptops, tablets and similar devices) ARE NOT powered on or being charged, they do not increase threat to airplane while in cargo section.
Increased threat to get these devices stolen at departure/arrivals is completely different matter.
P.S. Before anyone starts arguing and mentioning recent ban regarding large capacity batteries and powerpacks: laptop computers and tablets have much smaller batteries than these under that ban.
In other words, IF checked devices (we are talking only about laptops, tablets and similar devices) ARE NOT powered on or being charged, they do not increase threat to airplane while in cargo section.
Increased threat to get these devices stolen at departure/arrivals is completely different matter.
P.S. Before anyone starts arguing and mentioning recent ban regarding large capacity batteries and powerpacks: laptop computers and tablets have much smaller batteries than these under that ban.
Never said remote. (And I agree, cannot happen remotely.) You are missing the point. Think 787 battery packs. All you need is an igniter and multiple batteries in a small area. This ban accomplishes the second part.
Seems like a game of "how ridiculous can we get"? Flying long hauls without a Kindle is basically asking passengers to fight with the flight attendants out of boredom - all it will do is create problems. And please donīt tell me I can take a book - I read an average of 4-5 books per international trip, and will not give up the simple and 100% safe technology of the Kindle in the name of fake security.
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