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Electronic Devices Banned on Flights to US & UK from 10 ME Countries
Mar 21, 2017, 3:04 am
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I would expect that they'll be affected similarly to RJ AMM-YUL-DTW.
Mar 21, 2017, 3:18 am
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I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that. EK 205 spends 1h 50m in Milan, for example.
You could arguably search the cabin and re-screen passengers in that time for the onward 'connecting' leg to JFK.
Otherwise you're just going to end up getting into a line of argument whereby you need a rule such as "aircraft cannot have been used on a segment to one of the prohibited cities within the past X days," which would have big impacts on BA, LH, KL, AF, etc...
You could arguably search the cabin and re-screen passengers in that time for the onward 'connecting' leg to JFK.
Otherwise you're just going to end up getting into a line of argument whereby you need a rule such as "aircraft cannot have been used on a segment to one of the prohibited cities within the past X days," which would have big impacts on BA, LH, KL, AF, etc...
Mar 21, 2017, 4:04 am
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Banning hand-held electronics beside phones on these very long flights is going to make for some children being unhappy and running riot on the planes. Super-size smartphones could be very popular on these flights.
Mar 21, 2017, 4:08 am
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US carriers are exempt. (Source: CNN)
This seems like a very thinly veiled attempt to hit the middle east big 3, as each of their home bases is on the list.
Hard to believe this is a security issue.... fly a US carrier, no problem, devices welcome. Fly a foreign carrier on the same route, put it in the cargo hold. (Which, as others have stated, does not provide much if any, additional security.)
Also, wonder how this will work at the airport. Tomorrow, we will be connecting in DOH from Asia. (Asia-DOH-LAX) Where are we to surrender our laptops?
Before our flight in Asia? No way Asia airports will be setup for that. Also, some people will have laptops on the flight. (At DOH, there is typically no security screening for flights from Asia until the USA flight.)
Wait until the USA extra screening in DOH? THAT would be a mess!!! And how will that work, assuming you checked your bag in Asia, you check your laptop bag?
This seems like a very thinly veiled attempt to hit the middle east big 3, as each of their home bases is on the list.
Hard to believe this is a security issue.... fly a US carrier, no problem, devices welcome. Fly a foreign carrier on the same route, put it in the cargo hold. (Which, as others have stated, does not provide much if any, additional security.)
Also, wonder how this will work at the airport. Tomorrow, we will be connecting in DOH from Asia. (Asia-DOH-LAX) Where are we to surrender our laptops?
Before our flight in Asia? No way Asia airports will be setup for that. Also, some people will have laptops on the flight. (At DOH, there is typically no security screening for flights from Asia until the USA flight.)
Wait until the USA extra screening in DOH? THAT would be a mess!!! And how will that work, assuming you checked your bag in Asia, you check your laptop bag?
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Mar 21, 2017, 4:13 am
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35521646
as the reason for the need for this ban.
Where are those American ETD salespeople? Their lobbyists must be very excited to have another opportunity to cash in.
Mar 21, 2017, 4:23 am
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My husband flew LHR-Amman-Erbil (Royal Jordanian) on Sunday evening - a particular routing he takes frequently. For the first time ever all of his camera gear (all in hand luggage given value) was physically inspected at Heathrow and again before boarding his connecting flight in Amman. In Amman he was also asked to turn his laptop on and fully log in to his laptop, something he isn't usually required to do.
Might support the possibility of a genuine security concern which the US has escalated into a total ban - that was certainly his view when I told him today's news.
Might support the possibility of a genuine security concern which the US has escalated into a total ban - that was certainly his view when I told him today's news.
Mar 21, 2017, 4:51 am
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There is already a thread for this: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...tries-u-s.html
Can mods please merge it?
Can mods please merge it?
Mar 21, 2017, 4:52 am
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Mar 21, 2017, 4:56 am
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Mar 21, 2017, 4:59 am
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So.. a response to a real threat? Or just the latest attempt to badger more or less the same set of countries as were in the original muslim ban?
To me this combined with the increased screening of mobile devices makes the USA more and more a destination to avoid whenever possible.
To me this combined with the increased screening of mobile devices makes the USA more and more a destination to avoid whenever possible.
Mar 21, 2017, 5:14 am
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But your overall point is valid. It would be crazy for an airline to simply ignore any order - no matter how crazy - from the US or any other gov't agency.
Correct. Non-stop - problem. Stop - no problem. (according to the latest info)
Mar 21, 2017, 5:21 am
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This suddenly makes connecting via a European hub quite attractive:
MAD and LHR for QR and RJ
FRA and MUC for EY (through the new partnership with LH) and TK (via BRU and VIE to add)
LHR, CDG and AMS for SV
Curious coincidence: none of the US carriers fly to those countries yet Nigeria, which is not the most stable nation but served by a direct Delta flight, is not on the list.
MAD and LHR for QR and RJ
FRA and MUC for EY (through the new partnership with LH) and TK (via BRU and VIE to add)
LHR, CDG and AMS for SV
Curious coincidence: none of the US carriers fly to those countries yet Nigeria, which is not the most stable nation but served by a direct Delta flight, is not on the list.
Mar 21, 2017, 5:35 am
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The poor communication on this policy is quite a mess - we saw a similar example with Trumps first travel ban. That said, information here seemed to be "leaked" and wasn't intended to be released and implemented until today, 21 March. That that said, it's now the 21st and early indications are airlines haven't received these policy changes. So, yes - this is a real mess. Again.
I'm suspicious of the policy. It looks and smells like a muslim ban, again. But i'm also concerned with security of goods. When I depart Africa check-in agents are often careful to ensure I haven't checked any valuable items (laptops, tablets, jewelry, etc) into my checked luggage. Under this policy, would-be thieves will have a field day breaking into bags with a reasonable chance of finding high-value goods inside.
This will not have a good outcome.
I'm suspicious of the policy. It looks and smells like a muslim ban, again. But i'm also concerned with security of goods. When I depart Africa check-in agents are often careful to ensure I haven't checked any valuable items (laptops, tablets, jewelry, etc) into my checked luggage. Under this policy, would-be thieves will have a field day breaking into bags with a reasonable chance of finding high-value goods inside.
This will not have a good outcome.
