TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
#677
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 12
As the passenger being discussed, I can certify that I was neither rude nor belligerent, so the statement from the TSA FSD (listed as the approver on the cash award sheet) is false and libelous, though he has immunity from prosecution for it. And that's nothing as far as TSA's retaliation and retribution that they've already perpetrated on me multiple times in harassment and false accusations at airport security checkpoints -- which is another whole topic! You don't expect them to be honorable and not fight back? That's why this is becoming a much bigger case, every day, sadly.
BUT regardless ... I have sworn statements from other TSA employees/managers and the police claiming and confirming that I was *not* rude or any more upset than would reasonably be expected from someone who had just been karate-chopped in the testicles with excessive force! So, multiple TSA witnesses contradict and "impeach" the TSA FSD's statement.
So what, you may ask? Well, there is so much more to the evidence that I can't disclose quite yet, but it appears that a TSA supervisor and the attacking TSA screener have already committed perjury in their depositions, and the TSA FSD helped to provide the incriminating evidence!
Is there a remediable cause of action you might ask? Why yes :-) there are *several* (though not for perjury, necessarily, though that is sanctionable), and the shoes are just beginning to drop ....
Every time the TSA squirms and lies, they actually expose themselves to more liability and produce more incriminating evidence.
TSA and the attacker and others have missed and arrogantly defied so many opportunities to let this get resolved quietly (which honestly was my preference), and without escalation or litigation, but they refused.
It's unfortunate, but the benefit is that I'm making a path in the snow, for the rights of all the flying public. But I remember every day that I stand on the shoulders of giants, and without others' documented court cases and efforts (you know who you are), I would never have gotten this far, so thank *you*, and stay tuned ... new info every week, now ...
BUT regardless ... I have sworn statements from other TSA employees/managers and the police claiming and confirming that I was *not* rude or any more upset than would reasonably be expected from someone who had just been karate-chopped in the testicles with excessive force! So, multiple TSA witnesses contradict and "impeach" the TSA FSD's statement.
So what, you may ask? Well, there is so much more to the evidence that I can't disclose quite yet, but it appears that a TSA supervisor and the attacking TSA screener have already committed perjury in their depositions, and the TSA FSD helped to provide the incriminating evidence!
Is there a remediable cause of action you might ask? Why yes :-) there are *several* (though not for perjury, necessarily, though that is sanctionable), and the shoes are just beginning to drop ....
Every time the TSA squirms and lies, they actually expose themselves to more liability and produce more incriminating evidence.
TSA and the attacker and others have missed and arrogantly defied so many opportunities to let this get resolved quietly (which honestly was my preference), and without escalation or litigation, but they refused.
It's unfortunate, but the benefit is that I'm making a path in the snow, for the rights of all the flying public. But I remember every day that I stand on the shoulders of giants, and without others' documented court cases and efforts (you know who you are), I would never have gotten this far, so thank *you*, and stay tuned ... new info every week, now ...
#678
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DFW
Posts: 28,110
As the passenger being discussed, I can certify that I was neither rude nor belligerent, so the statement from the TSA FSD (listed as the approver on the cash award sheet) is false and libelous, though he has immunity from prosecution for it. And that's nothing as far as TSA's retaliation and retribution that they've already perpetrated on me multiple times in harassment and false accusations at airport security checkpoints -- which is another whole topic! You don't expect them to be honorable and not fight back? That's why this is becoming a much bigger case, every day, sadly.
BUT regardless ... I have sworn statements from other TSA employees/managers and the police claiming and confirming that I was *not* rude or any more upset than would reasonably be expected from someone who had just been karate-chopped in the testicles with excessive force! So, multiple TSA witnesses contradict and "impeach" the TSA FSD's statement.
So what, you may ask? Well, there is so much more to the evidence that I can't disclose quite yet, but it appears that a TSA supervisor and the attacking TSA screener have already committed perjury in their depositions, and the TSA FSD helped to provide the incriminating evidence!
Is there a remediable cause of action you might ask? Why yes :-) there are *several* (though not for perjury, necessarily, though that is sanctionable), and the shoes are just beginning to drop ....
Every time the TSA squirms and lies, they actually expose themselves to more liability and produce more incriminating evidence.
TSA and the attacker and others have missed and arrogantly defied so many opportunities to let this get resolved quietly (which honestly was my preference), and without escalation or litigation, but they refused.
It's unfortunate, but the benefit is that I'm making a path in the snow, for the rights of all the flying public. But I remember every day that I stand on the shoulders of giants, and without others' documented court cases and efforts (you know who you are), I would never have gotten this far, so thank *you*, and stay tuned ... new info every week, now ...
BUT regardless ... I have sworn statements from other TSA employees/managers and the police claiming and confirming that I was *not* rude or any more upset than would reasonably be expected from someone who had just been karate-chopped in the testicles with excessive force! So, multiple TSA witnesses contradict and "impeach" the TSA FSD's statement.
So what, you may ask? Well, there is so much more to the evidence that I can't disclose quite yet, but it appears that a TSA supervisor and the attacking TSA screener have already committed perjury in their depositions, and the TSA FSD helped to provide the incriminating evidence!
Is there a remediable cause of action you might ask? Why yes :-) there are *several* (though not for perjury, necessarily, though that is sanctionable), and the shoes are just beginning to drop ....
Every time the TSA squirms and lies, they actually expose themselves to more liability and produce more incriminating evidence.
TSA and the attacker and others have missed and arrogantly defied so many opportunities to let this get resolved quietly (which honestly was my preference), and without escalation or litigation, but they refused.
It's unfortunate, but the benefit is that I'm making a path in the snow, for the rights of all the flying public. But I remember every day that I stand on the shoulders of giants, and without others' documented court cases and efforts (you know who you are), I would never have gotten this far, so thank *you*, and stay tuned ... new info every week, now ...
#679
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,526
As the passenger being discussed, I can certify that I was neither rude nor belligerent, so the statement from the TSA FSD (listed as the approver on the cash award sheet) is false and libelous, though he has immunity from prosecution for it. And that's nothing as far as TSA's retaliation and retribution that they've already perpetrated on me multiple times in harassment and false accusations at airport security checkpoints -- which is another whole topic! You don't expect them to be honorable and not fight back? That's why this is becoming a much bigger case, every day, sadly.
BUT regardless ... I have sworn statements from other TSA employees/managers and the police claiming and confirming that I was *not* rude or any more upset than would reasonably be expected from someone who had just been karate-chopped in the testicles with excessive force! So, multiple TSA witnesses contradict and "impeach" the TSA FSD's statement.
So what, you may ask? Well, there is so much more to the evidence that I can't disclose quite yet, but it appears that a TSA supervisor and the attacking TSA screener have already committed perjury in their depositions, and the TSA FSD helped to provide the incriminating evidence!
Is there a remediable cause of action you might ask? Why yes :-) there are *several* (though not for perjury, necessarily, though that is sanctionable), and the shoes are just beginning to drop ....
Every time the TSA squirms and lies, they actually expose themselves to more liability and produce more incriminating evidence.
TSA and the attacker and others have missed and arrogantly defied so many opportunities to let this get resolved quietly (which honestly was my preference), and without escalation or litigation, but they refused.
It's unfortunate, but the benefit is that I'm making a path in the snow, for the rights of all the flying public. But I remember every day that I stand on the shoulders of giants, and without others' documented court cases and efforts (you know who you are), I would never have gotten this far, so thank *you*, and stay tuned ... new info every week, now ...
BUT regardless ... I have sworn statements from other TSA employees/managers and the police claiming and confirming that I was *not* rude or any more upset than would reasonably be expected from someone who had just been karate-chopped in the testicles with excessive force! So, multiple TSA witnesses contradict and "impeach" the TSA FSD's statement.
So what, you may ask? Well, there is so much more to the evidence that I can't disclose quite yet, but it appears that a TSA supervisor and the attacking TSA screener have already committed perjury in their depositions, and the TSA FSD helped to provide the incriminating evidence!
Is there a remediable cause of action you might ask? Why yes :-) there are *several* (though not for perjury, necessarily, though that is sanctionable), and the shoes are just beginning to drop ....
Every time the TSA squirms and lies, they actually expose themselves to more liability and produce more incriminating evidence.
TSA and the attacker and others have missed and arrogantly defied so many opportunities to let this get resolved quietly (which honestly was my preference), and without escalation or litigation, but they refused.
It's unfortunate, but the benefit is that I'm making a path in the snow, for the rights of all the flying public. But I remember every day that I stand on the shoulders of giants, and without others' documented court cases and efforts (you know who you are), I would never have gotten this far, so thank *you*, and stay tuned ... new info every week, now ...
#680
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 7
First pat down since new TSA procedures!
Was subjected to the TSAs new screening practices recently. The TSA agent explained to me the differences between the old at down and the new one. Explained that he would have to use the front of his hands when checking my groin and buttocks. I had the feeling he had some issues with people accepting the new pat down before cause he kept asking if I was okay with this. I said I was (didn't know I had a choice lol). The pat down lasted about 3 minutes and consisted of EIGHT full swipes across the groin. At the end, I was asked to be seated and lift up my feet so he could check my socks. While he was down there I asked him if he was gonna give me a pedicure (I wanted to see if the TSA enjoy humour). The guy laughed and and jokingly wiggled my toes. I didn't really notice much difference between the two pat downs except for the groin and foot inspection. I thought they were switching us all over to the body scanner but I guess not all airports are equipped. Has anyone else gotten the new pat down?
#681
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,526
Was subjected to the TSAs new screening practices recently. The TSA agent explained to me the differences between the old at down and the new one. Explained that he would have to use the front of his hands when checking my groin and buttocks. I had the feeling he had some issues with people accepting the new pat down before cause he kept asking if I was okay with this. I said I was (didn't know I had a choice lol). The pat down lasted about 3 minutes and consisted of EIGHT full swipes across the groin. At the end, I was asked to be seated and lift up my feet so he could check my socks. While he was down there I asked him if he was gonna give me a pedicure (I wanted to see if the TSA enjoy humour). The guy laughed and and jokingly wiggled my toes. I didn't really notice much difference between the two pat downs except for the groin and foot inspection. I thought they were switching us all over to the body scanner but I guess not all airports are equipped. Has anyone else gotten the new pat down?
#682
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 580
Was subjected to the TSAs new screening practices recently. The TSA agent explained to me the differences between the old at down and the new one. Explained that he would have to use the front of his hands when checking my groin and buttocks. I had the feeling he had some issues with people accepting the new pat down before cause he kept asking if I was okay with this. I said I was (didn't know I had a choice lol). The pat down lasted about 3 minutes and consisted of EIGHT full swipes across the groin. At the end, I was asked to be seated and lift up my feet so he could check my socks. While he was down there I asked him if he was gonna give me a pedicure (I wanted to see if the TSA enjoy humour). The guy laughed and and jokingly wiggled my toes. I didn't really notice much difference between the two pat downs except for the groin and foot inspection. I thought they were switching us all over to the body scanner but I guess not all airports are equipped. Has anyone else gotten the new pat down?
#683
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,674
#684
Join Date: Nov 2014
Programs: IHG Spire Elite,Star Alliance
Posts: 121
Good grief
What is with all the panic.....
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
#685
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DFW
Posts: 28,110
What is with all the panic.....
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
#686
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Join Date: Mar 2017
Programs: Delta-pm, Hilton-Diamond, Marriott-PP
Posts: 271
What is with all the panic.....
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
#687
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Anchorage, AK
Programs: Lifetime AS 1MM & MVPG, AS MVPG100K, AA, DL, HH-G
Posts: 8,259
So Chester the Molester has finally found a government job
#688
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 580
What is with all the panic.....
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
The odds of a body scanner preventing an incident are extremely low. They are so low that they do not justify the expense, possibility of the loss of privacy, possibility of issues from radiation (not shown to be likely now with MMW scanners, although some scientists are showing now that there is a possibility that cell phone radiation could lead to an increase in cancer in some cases and as this has not been absolutely concluded, perhaps this is the case regarding body scanners as well).
Regarding the patdowns--have you gone through one? If you go through one, you can experience whether a patdown goes too far yourself. In my opinion, security does not justify this type of personal violation. One of my pet peeves is when people have an "anything for security" attitude or when they think that security is the most important thing. I believe that one's rights to privacy, dignity, and not feeling violated are more important in many instances.
#689
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Anchorage, AK
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Posts: 8,259
cThis. Blindly thinking TSA edicts are correct or justified without question is leading to more over reach by that agency.
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#690
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,526
Chester the Molester is a joke but there have to be more than a few screeners who enjoy sexually assaulting passengers and do so on a regular basis.
What is with all the panic.....
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
1. Why are people so bothered about scanners?
2. Why all the calls for sexual issues with a pat down
What a bunch of snowflakes
Personally I would rather be safe....Why wouldn't I use a scanner?....No idea....same for everyone
All I can see here is the opportunity to sue someone...that is the US culture afterall
People need to grow a pair!
Last edited by TWA884; Feb 27, 2018 at 9:41 am Reason: Merge consecutive posts by the same member; please use the multi-quote function