TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
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Flew back from Phoenix on Tuesday morning and got a variant on the new pat down after getting "randomly" selected at the WTMD in the pre-check lane of T4's A checkpoint. Of course the NoS hit on sweat around the collar of my shirt and for some reason at the bottom of my knee length shorts. Surprisingly I only had to wait about 30 seconds while the male and female screeners swapped places at the NoS/WTMD. He did use the palms of his hand to pat down both areas but didn't get any where near the twig and berries and honestly spent more time inspecting my hat then what the NoS "hit" on. Thankfully the whole ordeal was over in a little over a minute and I escaped with my dignity intact (this time).
#602
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Yet we read that TSA has told a court of law that
“contact with Plaintiff’s genitals, if any at all, was incidental and occurred through the course of a typical security pat-down.”
The above description of a patdown certainly doesn't seem like "incidental" contact.
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#603
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Who needs Penthouse Forum (RIP) when you can just read TSA reports?
This stuff is steamy!
This stuff is steamy!
#604
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In another tweet, the woman wrote:
Is this new? Whatever, they are still too cowardly to use the word "genitals" - she also said they used the term "intimate area".
They had a laminated card that they quickly flicked at me which showed a body & area they would touch--entire underwear area.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/...rticle/2009631
http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/...rticle/2009631
Well, since you asked, the agent runs his hand inside a passenger's waistband and also runs his hand up the back of each leg until he "meets resistance" and then does the same from the front of each leg. And then the TSA agent swipes the front of his hands 3 or 4 times right over the zipper area of one's Gap Outlet comfort-stretch khakis. That last part was the most unpleasant.
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The article linked to is generating many responses at @TSA.
#609
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A thought I had re patdowns and police reports
TSA says:
http://tinyurl.com/y9ttb62p
To my mind, that says that TSA does not grab, cup, pull or finger genitals.
Therefore, when this happens to passengers, as it does on an hourly basis, the screener is outside of the parameters of a TSA "patdown" because grabbing, cupping, pulling, fingering is NOT "incidental."
With that in mind and a copy of the legal document in hand in which TSA states they don't make contact with genitals, should not the police then accept a complaint of sexual assault against a screener?
contact with Plaintiff’s genitals, if any at all, was incidental and occurred through the course of a typical security pat-down.
To my mind, that says that TSA does not grab, cup, pull or finger genitals.
Therefore, when this happens to passengers, as it does on an hourly basis, the screener is outside of the parameters of a TSA "patdown" because grabbing, cupping, pulling, fingering is NOT "incidental."
With that in mind and a copy of the legal document in hand in which TSA states they don't make contact with genitals, should not the police then accept a complaint of sexual assault against a screener?
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TSA says:
http://tinyurl.com/y9ttb62p
To my mind, that says that TSA does not grab, cup, pull or finger genitals.
Therefore, when this happens to passengers, as it does on an hourly basis, the screener is outside of the parameters of a TSA "patdown" because grabbing, cupping, pulling, fingering is NOT "incidental."
With that in mind and a copy of the legal document in hand in which TSA states they don't make contact with genitals, should not the police then accept a complaint of sexual assault against a screener?
http://tinyurl.com/y9ttb62p
To my mind, that says that TSA does not grab, cup, pull or finger genitals.
Therefore, when this happens to passengers, as it does on an hourly basis, the screener is outside of the parameters of a TSA "patdown" because grabbing, cupping, pulling, fingering is NOT "incidental."
With that in mind and a copy of the legal document in hand in which TSA states they don't make contact with genitals, should not the police then accept a complaint of sexual assault against a screener?
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When one court refuses to hold TSA screeners accountable I think the chance of success, even if a complaint is taken, is low. Can you afford to pursue a case against TSA or a TSA employee? Without support from a consumer protection group few of us have the resources to mount a battle, one that government can drag out for years.
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Do you know of one?
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Prosecutors in the US are typically elected or politically appointed to represent The People. The People have made it exceedingly clear that almost anything is acceptable if it is done under the guise of fighting terrorism. I wonder where there might be a People's representative who cares so little about their political career that they would be willing to be cast as soft on terrorism by going up against a TSA employee who claims to be "just following orders to fight terrorism."
Do you know of one?
Do you know of one?
Or maybe there are many screeners who enjoy feeling up passengers & do so in contravention of procedure which would be sexual assault.
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However, TSA claims that touching of genitals is incidental, IMO meaning screeners are not to deliberately touch them, that they are not ordered to finger, grab, manipulate.
Or maybe there are many screeners who enjoy feeling up passengers & do so in contravention of procedure which would be sexual assault.
Or maybe there are many screeners who enjoy feeling up passengers & do so in contravention of procedure which would be sexual assault.
Here is a countering report suggesting that genital contact may not be incidental. Of course this is just one account but with so many reports of genital grabs, jabs, and gropes who do we believe? A person who only wanted to fly somewhere or TSA which has been dishonest with the public for years?
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I tried to avoid this case! I asked the TSA screener 3 times to just apologize (as well as his manager). Both laughed at me, said hitting me was intentional, and refused to admit their mistake and just apologize. Is this a new "game" with TSA screeners: To hit passengers and see how much they can abuse the flying public since they have the US Government protecting them from crimes? So I did what many of you have probably thought about doing: I citizen's arrested the TSA agent!
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I still think an inadvertent, reflex-only knee to the head when a TSA clerk bends down to fondle you is the best course of action.