TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
Jun 8, 2017, 11:24 pm
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Capt.,
Jon Corbett here. As a non-attorney I can't give you legal advice... I'm just a lowly 3rd Year law student who has sued the TSA 5 times including petitions to appeal all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court for 3 of them. So the below is merely my observations based on my experiences and should not be construed as legal advice.
I've read your complaint and I expect your complaint to be dismissed for a variety of reasons. I encourage you to seek counsel if you'd like to proceed, because you may have a case, but it is very much not an easy one to make, and, respectfully, you're not making it. Please don't get me wrong: I believe your story and I very much hope you prevail. It's just not, in my legally unqualified opinion, happening based on your current filings.
Good luck,
--Jon
Jon Corbett here. As a non-attorney I can't give you legal advice... I'm just a lowly 3rd Year law student who has sued the TSA 5 times including petitions to appeal all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court for 3 of them. So the below is merely my observations based on my experiences and should not be construed as legal advice.
I've read your complaint and I expect your complaint to be dismissed for a variety of reasons. I encourage you to seek counsel if you'd like to proceed, because you may have a case, but it is very much not an easy one to make, and, respectfully, you're not making it. Please don't get me wrong: I believe your story and I very much hope you prevail. It's just not, in my legally unqualified opinion, happening based on your current filings.
Good luck,
--Jon
Jul 7, 2017, 9:14 am
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A query was just made to the blog for an explanation of why it seems people are being groped even without their oversized medical items alarming. I think I know what the response will be but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Jul 7, 2017, 10:51 am
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If a liquid, gel, or aerosol declared as medically-necessary alarms, then it may require additional screening and may not be allowed
Note: it's pretty clear that you may submit to a genital rub and still have your meds confiscated.
Because the screener still always has the 'final say'.
It's pretty obvious that most TSOs prefer to stroke the genitals and probe the buttocks of a 12-year-old girl or a 13-year-old boy rather than to use the test strips on the medical LGAs. I imagine they get a particular thrill doing it in public with the parents and the public watching.
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Jul 7, 2017, 4:02 pm
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The areas shaded in light blue on the graphic, also designated as 9, must be what the TSA considers to be the groin area:
http://stuckattheairport.com/2017/06...form=hootsuite
http://stuckattheairport.com/2017/06...form=hootsuite
Jul 7, 2017, 5:06 pm
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It's right there in black and white, although as we all know, the blog is out-of-date and not binding at the checkpoint.
All oversize medical supplies 'alarm' because they are over-size. Therefore, 'additional screening' is ALWAYS required, and TSA's favorite 'additional screening' is probing your butt crack and stroking your genitals repeatedly.
Note: it's pretty clear that you may submit to a genital rub and still have your meds confiscated.
Because the screener still always has the 'final say'.
It's pretty obvious that most TSOs prefer to stroke the genitals and probe the buttocks of a 12-year-old girl or a 13-year-old boy rather than to use the test strips on the medical LGAs. I imagine they get a particular thrill doing it in public with the parents and the public watching.
All oversize medical supplies 'alarm' because they are over-size. Therefore, 'additional screening' is ALWAYS required, and TSA's favorite 'additional screening' is probing your butt crack and stroking your genitals repeatedly.
Note: it's pretty clear that you may submit to a genital rub and still have your meds confiscated.
Because the screener still always has the 'final say'.
It's pretty obvious that most TSOs prefer to stroke the genitals and probe the buttocks of a 12-year-old girl or a 13-year-old boy rather than to use the test strips on the medical LGAs. I imagine they get a particular thrill doing it in public with the parents and the public watching.
Jul 7, 2017, 5:07 pm
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The areas shaded in light blue on the graphic, also designated as 9, must be what the TSA considers to be the groin area:
http://stuckattheairport.com/2017/06...form=hootsuite
http://stuckattheairport.com/2017/06...form=hootsuite
Jul 7, 2017, 5:20 pm
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The areas shaded in light blue on the graphic, also designated as 9, must be what the TSA considers to be the groin area:
http://stuckattheairport.com/2017/06...form=hootsuite
http://stuckattheairport.com/2017/06...form=hootsuite
Jul 7, 2017, 5:47 pm
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I wonder if so-called SSI information was released with the graphic. Also I found this statement from the article interesting:
TSA would NEVER admit to false alarms.
Has anyone ever quantified the amount of time these false alarms consume?
What triggers those secondary pat-downs? False alarms.
A high rate of those false alarms are triggered by expensive and, evidently, not too reliable, potential-threat algorithms the Transportation Security Administration purchases from the manufacturers of airport scanners.
A high rate of those false alarms are triggered by expensive and, evidently, not too reliable, potential-threat algorithms the Transportation Security Administration purchases from the manufacturers of airport scanners.
Has anyone ever quantified the amount of time these false alarms consume?
Jul 7, 2017, 6:38 pm
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I have spoken of multiple WBI false alarms on my neck and shoulder. Multiple screenings, multiple airports.
To continue using equipment that is known to give unreliable results is truly the mark of idiots.
Jul 8, 2017, 7:32 am
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I went to public schools...
Jul 8, 2017, 8:35 am
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Pistole said the gropes were meant to be 'uncomfortable' when performed properly. 'Resistance' was the moment when a screener had been so invasive or so rough (or both) that the pax flinched involuntarily. TSOs were supposed to watch or feel for the flinch.
If a pax didn't flinch, it meant the pax had some concealed nastiness that was shielding his/her genitals or breasts or butt crack from feeling contact - or that the TSO simply hadn't groped forcefully enough.
When the rude female TSO paraded for the cameras after she chopped the female reporter in the genitals with her thumb, the reporter's involuntary flinch meant that the TSO had performed the grope properly - ie, to the point of obvious discomfort.
Now there's no need to talk about resistance. Now a TSO puts his nose inches away from a thirteen-year-old boy's genitals and buttocks when the kid is wearing light cotton shorts and repeatedly rubs the boy's penis for two minutes, firmly enough to know if the kid is circumcised or not.
Jul 8, 2017, 9:42 am
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Definition of groin from Wiki:
In human anatomy, the groin (the adjective is inguinal, as in inguinal canal) is the junctional area (also known as the inguinal region) between the abdomen and the thigh[1] on either side of the pubic bone.[2]
Jul 9, 2017, 12:56 pm
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On Friday I was selected for random screening at DEN in the Pre line. The pat down was fairly perfunctory. He ran his hands down my thighs and send me on my way.
An onlooking pax then told me, unprompted, that she was watching in case I needed a witness. ^
An onlooking pax then told me, unprompted, that she was watching in case I needed a witness. ^