TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
Mar 6, 2017, 9:08 pm
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Any of the resident lawyers care to chime in on how far the TSA can push these searches without the courts taking a closer look?
It's only a matter of time before this ends in a lawsuit. Or a TSO gets his teeth kicked in by a sexual assault victim whose PTSD comes raging back while being groped at a checkpoint.
It's only a matter of time before this ends in a lawsuit. Or a TSO gets his teeth kicked in by a sexual assault victim whose PTSD comes raging back while being groped at a checkpoint.
(Simply the first thing that came up on a search, I have no idea of the merits of the particular example.)
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Mar 6, 2017, 9:14 pm
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Actually I tend to travel with lots of computer parts in my carry-ons and I have been selected for body searches for that reason. So I am probably a lot more likely to have problems with this than many of you.
Our last flight I got the grope from medical liquids, though.
Mar 6, 2017, 9:17 pm
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Good point. I think you're right.
Mar 6, 2017, 11:21 pm
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Mar 7, 2017, 3:22 am
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I am just waiting for someone subjected to this at a screening checkpoint to say: "Is this your sexual fantasy too?".
Mar 7, 2017, 7:10 am
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Mar 7, 2017, 9:37 am
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Most of the electeds in my area don't give a ...., they feel it is part of keeping Americans safe, and their districts are gerrymandered beyond belief to that it would be a waste of my time as I would be heavily outvoted. You can ask the lone Democratic representative of the six (SIX!!!) Congressional districts that have sliced and diced Austin up, Lloyd Doggett; he feels the same. And one of the reps who represents part of Austin is the House Chair of the Committee on Homeland Security.
I will say that the medical opt out is still a safe option as of last week. Due to screwing up my shoulder in an accident, I can't "assume the position" (not that I ever have outside of that one time at LHR) so I get the WTMD and hand swab. I've only ever had 2 problems with it - both were at BWI C gates. I will say the supervisors at least got up to deal with immediately when I complained.
Mar 7, 2017, 9:48 am
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That and it's about control. Notice the difference in how medical opt outs are treated vs a regular opt out. The first one is treated as "would comply, but is unable to" vs "punishment for defiance."
The opt out patdowns have always been to try to teach those people a lesson so they avoid it. That said, on those rare occasions where they tried to force me thru the NoS and ignored my injury, I opted out.
One screener even yelled "Aha! I KNEW you were trying to get out of going thru the scanner."
The opt out patdowns have always been to try to teach those people a lesson so they avoid it. That said, on those rare occasions where they tried to force me thru the NoS and ignored my injury, I opted out.
One screener even yelled "Aha! I KNEW you were trying to get out of going thru the scanner."
Mar 7, 2017, 10:49 am
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That and it's about control. Notice the difference in how medical opt outs are treated vs a regular opt out. The first one is treated as "would comply, but is unable to" vs "punishment for defiance."
The opt out patdowns have always been to try to teach those people a lesson so they avoid it. That said, on those rare occasions where they tried to force me thru the NoS and ignored my injury, I opted out.
One screener even yelled "Aha! I KNEW you were trying to get out of going thru the scanner."
The opt out patdowns have always been to try to teach those people a lesson so they avoid it. That said, on those rare occasions where they tried to force me thru the NoS and ignored my injury, I opted out.
One screener even yelled "Aha! I KNEW you were trying to get out of going thru the scanner."
Mar 7, 2017, 1:52 pm
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EVERYtime I pass thru a Millimeter Wave Scanner (for work, as I am a contractor that works for vendors on the air side, personal travel I have GE) I alarm on my head.
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?
In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.
This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?
In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.
This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
Mar 7, 2017, 1:58 pm
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EVERYtime I pass thru a Millimeter Wave Scanner (for work, as I am a contractor that works for vendors on the air side, personal travel I have GE) I alarm on my head.
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?
In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.
This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?
In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.
This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
Mar 7, 2017, 2:22 pm
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I'm interested in knowing if any anomaly found by the scanner will result in a full patdown. My insulin pump and glucose monitor are going to trigger a yellow square to pop up. All the TSA has been asking me to do is rub my hands over the alarmed areas over my clothes and then they swab my hands. I had to suffer through patdowns for years because my old pump wasn't supposed to go through the scanners. I'm going to be very upset if I have to go back to getting full patdowns, especially if they are even more invasive.
Mar 7, 2017, 2:35 pm
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I'm interested in knowing if any anomaly found by the scanner will result in a full patdown. My insulin pump and glucose monitor are going to trigger a yellow square to pop up. All the TSA has been asking me to do is rub my hands over the alarmed areas over my clothes and then they swab my hands. I had to suffer through patdowns for years because my old pump wasn't supposed to go through the scanners. I'm going to be very upset if I have to go back to getting full patdowns, especially if they are even more invasive.
Perhaps you should ask the TSA Ombudsman. I get a phone number of (toll free) 877-266-2837 or 571-227-2383.
Mar 7, 2017, 7:49 pm
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EVERYtime I pass thru a Millimeter Wave Scanner (for work, as I am a contractor that works for vendors on the air side, personal travel I have GE) I alarm on my head.
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?
In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.
This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
Yes each and every time because at 6' 8" my head is above the scanner detector and I get the dreaded yellow box on my head.
Will I now have to go thru a more "intimate" pat down?
In the past, I have been waved thru, asked to bend or bow so they could see my bald spot, err head or even asked if they could touch my head. I've never got the full pat down with the exception of when I asked the TSO to re-glove before touching my head, that is when he said I had refused direction and need a full screening.
This is with a gate pass a badged escort, an employee of the terminal vendor or the terminal hired private security firm.
Can't wait to test this...
