TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
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Then there must be many screeners who go "well outside" the new procedure as I've read many reports of similar assaults on passengers.
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That's like making the street address of the White House SSI. Every school child in this country, and most of the adults, know that the White House is located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC. But if we made this common knowledge SSI, that would prevent The Terrorists from finding it, and the building would be safe forever!
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I've done this, not quite THAT loud though. As the screener was putting his gloves on, I started flirting with him and saying, "I've been looking forward to this...all...night...long" as I wiggled my male bits in his direction. Fastest pat-down ever and he stayed miles away from man-land.
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From comments made @TSA and @AkTSA, something seems to be going on. Items that travelers have carried for months are being confiscated, foodstuffs are being confiscated - including candy at GSO - various other things that give one the idea that TSA is cracking down for some reason.
Somebody must have put out the word that if TSA doesn't score better than 5%, pax are really going to suffer.
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Red Team tests must be coming up. I wonder if they'll coincide with the spring work slowdown, er, TSA Pre recruitment effort. (I expect a similar fall effort, when TDCs start harassing folks with non-Real ID compliant ID, ahead of the actual deadline for accepting such IDs).
Somebody must have put out the word that if TSA doesn't score better than 5%, pax are really going to suffer.
Somebody must have put out the word that if TSA doesn't score better than 5%, pax are really going to suffer.
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You know, I wonder what the testing post-mortem is like.
In my workplace, if something goes badly wrong (ie, we 'fail'), there's a post-mortem and everyone ends up hearing what went wrong and what, specifically, has been done or will be done to prevent it from happening again.
Did TSA go back and inform the workforce about the reasons for their failures? For example, if half the failures were because TSOs didn't check out the bottom of pax feet, I would think that information would be passed on to the work force and pax would see a rise in TSO attention to the soles of their feet.
Were a significant number of Red Team failures attributable to contraband 'artfully concealed' in groins? And does that test reflect likely terrorist threats, based on our current intel?
After all, our latest threat seems to be from pax having access to their electronics in the plane cabin, not from what they are carrying in their crotches or bras.
In my workplace, if something goes badly wrong (ie, we 'fail'), there's a post-mortem and everyone ends up hearing what went wrong and what, specifically, has been done or will be done to prevent it from happening again.
Did TSA go back and inform the workforce about the reasons for their failures? For example, if half the failures were because TSOs didn't check out the bottom of pax feet, I would think that information would be passed on to the work force and pax would see a rise in TSO attention to the soles of their feet.
Were a significant number of Red Team failures attributable to contraband 'artfully concealed' in groins? And does that test reflect likely terrorist threats, based on our current intel?
After all, our latest threat seems to be from pax having access to their electronics in the plane cabin, not from what they are carrying in their crotches or bras.
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You know, I wonder what the testing post-mortem is like.
In my workplace, if something goes badly wrong (ie, we 'fail'), there's a post-mortem and everyone ends up hearing what went wrong and what, specifically, has been done or will be done to prevent it from happening again.
Did TSA go back and inform the workforce about the reasons for their failures? For example, if half the failures were because TSOs didn't check out the bottom of pax feet, I would think that information would be passed on to the work force and pax would see a rise in TSO attention to the soles of their feet.
Were a significant number of Red Team failures attributable to contraband 'artfully concealed' in groins? And does that test reflect likely terrorist threats, based on our current intel?
After all, our latest threat seems to be from pax having access to their electronics in the plane cabin, not from what they are carrying in their crotches or bras.
In my workplace, if something goes badly wrong (ie, we 'fail'), there's a post-mortem and everyone ends up hearing what went wrong and what, specifically, has been done or will be done to prevent it from happening again.
Did TSA go back and inform the workforce about the reasons for their failures? For example, if half the failures were because TSOs didn't check out the bottom of pax feet, I would think that information would be passed on to the work force and pax would see a rise in TSO attention to the soles of their feet.
Were a significant number of Red Team failures attributable to contraband 'artfully concealed' in groins? And does that test reflect likely terrorist threats, based on our current intel?
After all, our latest threat seems to be from pax having access to their electronics in the plane cabin, not from what they are carrying in their crotches or bras.
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I would want to know how any failures occurred. What kind of test item was used and missed. What screening technology was used that failed. I think TSA should be required to show that their excessive pat downs mitigate the screening failures.
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After being sanitized to what degree? The devil is in the details.
I would want to know how any failures occurred. What kind of test item was used and missed. What screening technology was used that failed. I think TSA should be required to show that their excessive pat downs mitigate the screening failures.
I would want to know how any failures occurred. What kind of test item was used and missed. What screening technology was used that failed. I think TSA should be required to show that their excessive pat downs mitigate the screening failures.
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9/11 won't happen again due to the armored cockpit doors *AND* passengers who aren't willing to take crap. In fact, passengers react to changing circumstances faster than TSA ever could, take a look at UA93. Before the WTC towers even collapsed, passengers became aware of what was going on *AND* changed their procedures to deal with this new threat. TSA simply can't react that quickly, no matter how hard they'd try. Their structure doesn't support it. There's no way for Washington DC to talk directly to the pax <deleted> immediately.
Just leave a WTMD and x-ray machine behind and let the pax self-police the thing, with a Page a LEO button nearby. You better believe pax aren't going to let anything slip by. Crowdsourcing has been used for quite a few other things today. No reason it couldn't work here. For that matter, you could outsource the x-ray machines to people on Amazon's Mechanical Turk, where you could have 10 different people look at a bag x-ray in under 10 seconds for $1 or less and let them Page the LEO.
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incontinence or sanitary protection. What will happen to elders wearing disposable diapers or females requiring bulky sanitary protection. Will they be subjected to MORE intimate exams to be sure of what is being concealed. This is not a joke. Many travelers with obvious and non obvious disabilities resulting in bathroom "issues" wear readily available products to prevent embarassing accidents. Does TSA have a new procedure for these travellers?
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incontinence or sanitary protection. What will happen to elders wearing disposable diapers or females requiring bulky sanitary protection. Will they be subjected to MORE intimate exams to be sure of what is being concealed. This is not a joke. Many travelers with obvious and non obvious disabilities resulting in bathroom "issues" wear readily available products to prevent embarassing accidents. Does TSA have a new procedure for these travellers?