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Without going too OMNI/PR, I would have zero faith in any claims of having an idea what Trump is going to do before he does it. Even from you, who knows more than the average poster. And this isn't a shot at you. Instead, it is at someone who could charitably be described as "mercurial"; any worse description falls into PR .
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I would tend to agree but there are certain things that already took place and are systematically in place even for people with J and F category visas that will remain different for them than for those outside of the US seeking to be located to the US as a refugee. It's just the way it is and has changed already. Iranians with J and F visas are in a better position -- marginal as it may or may not turn out to be -- than Iranian refugees seeking to be settled in the US. For example, the allocation of staff resources has already changed for the latter but not for the former.
While perhaps not sufficient for Trump's desires, Iranians (and other nationalities covered here) with J and F visas have already been vetted to some degree (likely significant) by the US Government. Many refugees have not. And this executive order appears only to affect entry of the affected visa holders; it does not affect those already in the country. However, it has already been confirmed to me by at least one group that has a number of nationals from the affected countries that they are strongly recommending that those involved with the group from those countries do not travel outside of the US during the validity of this executive order, no matter their visa status, and many of those involved with the entity would be under a J or F status assuredly.
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I'll try to hew outside of PR best I can here while staying on subject:
While perhaps not sufficient for Trump's desires, Iranians (and other nationalities covered here) with J and F visas have already been vetted to some degree (likely significant) by the US Government. Many refugees have not. And this executive order appears only to affect entry of the affected visa holders; it does not affect those already in the country. However, it has already been confirmed to me by at least one group that has a number of nationals from the affected countries that they are strongly recommending that those involved with the group from those countries do not travel outside of the US during the validity of this executive order, no matter their visa status, and many of those involved with the entity would be under a J or F status assuredly.
While perhaps not sufficient for Trump's desires, Iranians (and other nationalities covered here) with J and F visas have already been vetted to some degree (likely significant) by the US Government. Many refugees have not. And this executive order appears only to affect entry of the affected visa holders; it does not affect those already in the country. However, it has already been confirmed to me by at least one group that has a number of nationals from the affected countries that they are strongly recommending that those involved with the group from those countries do not travel outside of the US during the validity of this executive order, no matter their visa status, and many of those involved with the entity would be under a J or F status assuredly.
Here is the text as supplied by the Administration:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/2...der-trump.html
For those Iranian students (and even other foreign students of Iranian heritage) in the US, staying put in the US as students for the duration of their program may indeed be advisable if the course of study is the priority.
The Admin seems to have been adding a bit more wiggle room for itself (or setting itself up to do so) on this matter too as time went/goes on. A reality of governing is that even the governor may realize there are things that require compromise and adjustment if not wanting to sink their own ship.
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I believe the current process to get refugee status takes 18-24 months, and includes just about every check their could be short of an "enhanced interrogation" at Gitmo for every applicant. We know a lot more about a Syrian or Iranian applying as a refugee then we do about most other visitors.
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A bunch of American companies have international traveling employees with US visas (immigrant or non-immigrant visas) or (perhaps less likely to be impacted) US permanent residence permits that are potentially impacted by this travel ban. Some of those who live in the US but are or were outside of the country have been rushing back (to try to get into the US) upon hearing of this executive order being signed.
Given some such people have families with young kids who live in the US, traveling abroad and being hit by a travel ban while outside of the country can seriously tear apart a law-abiding family. It's also likely to damage some careers.
Given some such people have families with young kids who live in the US, traveling abroad and being hit by a travel ban while outside of the country can seriously tear apart a law-abiding family. It's also likely to damage some careers.
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Are LPRs actually affected? The order bans immigrant and non-immigrant entry, but once you're an LPR do you still count as an immigrant (you're considered a person after all)?
(One news story is claiming LPRs are being denied entry, but there's little proof of anything in there.)
(One news story is claiming LPRs are being denied entry, but there's little proof of anything in there.)
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On a sidenote an Iranian friend on a J visa has just come back yesterday from a 10-day stay in Mexico, no issues at all upon arrival at SFO.
On a sidenote an Iranian friend on a J visa has just come back yesterday from a 10-day stay in Mexico, no issues at all upon arrival at SFO.
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Yesterday may be different than today.
Today, several Iraqis with US visas were denied travel to the US with at least one airline saying -- whether true or not -- that they got a message to deny US-bound travel to citizens of these countries.
I'm just waiting until the Admin decides to do this to foreign citizens from Pakistan and perhaps even Bangladesh too. At that point, the numbers of people impacted will be way more than double the current numbers.
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E.g. reentry from neighbouring countries doesn't even require a valid visa anymore (under certain parameters), so I can imagine this whole scenario in general is quite special.
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Reentering the US from Mexico and Canada (at least on a J or F Visa) is quite different to a normal entry - which will further muddy the waters (nevermind that this policy is very recent).
E.g. reentry from neighbouring countries doesn't even require a valid visa anymore (under certain parameters), so I can imagine this whole scenario in general is quite special.
E.g. reentry from neighbouring countries doesn't even require a valid visa anymore (under certain parameters), so I can imagine this whole scenario in general is quite special.
Indeed, but whether or not it was required of the airlines (by the USG) is something that I've not had checked out. But with reports like this
http://nypost.com/2017/01/28/two-ira...ecutive-order/
it doesn't look good for a lot of people with otherwise valid US visas.
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Sydney Morning Herald:
There were further reports that five Iraqi passengers and one Yemeni had been barred from boarding an EgyptAir flight from Cairo to New York as the US ban on entry of citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries came ito force.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/refugees...28-gu0p5o.html
There is a lot of detail in the articles about who/where people have been turned back or detained on arrival.
There were further reports that five Iraqi passengers and one Yemeni had been barred from boarding an EgyptAir flight from Cairo to New York as the US ban on entry of citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries came ito force.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/refugees...28-gu0p5o.html
There is a lot of detail in the articles about who/where people have been turned back or detained on arrival.
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https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...T1FrVl9QOW4%3D
Admittedly some of the currently banned countries aren't eligble for automatic revalidation, but far from all of them.
(Moreover I've seen documentation stating that travel validation signatures aren't required for travel to contiguous territories on J-1/F-1, which is what is more relevant in this case- but I can't find that online currently.)
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Wrong, and it's even on the CBP website:
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...T1FrVl9QOW4%3D
(Moreover I've seen documentation stating that travel validation signatures aren't required for travel on J-1/F-1, which is what is more relevant in this case- but I can't find that online currently.)
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...T1FrVl9QOW4%3D
(Moreover I've seen documentation stating that travel validation signatures aren't required for travel on J-1/F-1, which is what is more relevant in this case- but I can't find that online currently.)
While it is indeed possible for many to have an expired visa and valid I-94 for re-entry, the visa is in effect still valid. If the visa is invalid and even not yet expired on its face, then is the I-94 still valid for re-entry? I wouldn't be so sure about that.
"Iran, Sudan and Syria are not eligible for automatic revalidation of an expired visa." And it's practically more extensive than that.
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Sydney Morning Herald:
There were further reports that five Iraqi passengers and one Yemeni had been barred from boarding an EgyptAir flight from Cairo to New York as the US ban on entry of citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries came ito force.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/refugees...28-gu0p5o.html
There is a lot of detail in the articles about who/where people have been turned back or detained on arrival.
There were further reports that five Iraqi passengers and one Yemeni had been barred from boarding an EgyptAir flight from Cairo to New York as the US ban on entry of citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries came ito force.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/refugees...28-gu0p5o.html
There is a lot of detail in the articles about who/where people have been turned back or detained on arrival.