Boggie Dog

Thought the question was straight forward; how many people are not projected to have Real ID by the next DHS deadline?

Follow on questions about TSA and the impact of Real ID on travel are legitimate and will be answered starting in October 2020 unless DHS blinks. I don't think I'd plan any air travel right around that time unless something changes before then.

rickg523

Once again, California is specifically requesting that those who have standard DL's or passports expiring beyond 2022 not to apply yet. That has to be hundreds of thousands - if not a couple of million - US citizens resident in California who won't have Real ID.
This got brought up because a guy who incorrectly identified "Federal Limits Apply" as California's Illegal Alien License was complaining he's in a job where he often needs to check ID and that his employer wasn't interested when he brought up the fact that he was seeing a lot of "illegals" (based on his misinformed ideas about their license). I corrected him but gazillions of people, no doubt including TSO's, from the Fever Swamp are similarly misinformed. I'm not, and don't look, Asian or Hispanic and I'll just carry my passport and Trusted Traveler ID when I fly. Everyone else sees my DL. They can kick back that they don't think I'm a citizen if they want. It'll be an entertaining discussion.

Boggie Dog

It's more than just what California is doing. I know my state has started issuing Real ID but doubt that many will be out by 10/2020. TSA is saying either have Real ID or other acceptable forms of ID by the deadline or people will not be permitted through security. I don't think DHS/TSA wants to open that door but kinda hope they do. I'll pop the popcorn and watch the show.

König

I have a feeling that you will be disappointed. Akin to the millimiter wave scanners that many people (including on this forum) mounted a holy war against. They are here to stay, and I feel that RealID will go down the same road.

Often1

Agreed, with a bit of a twist.

I am betting on a 120-day extension to after the election. Meaningless, because if you don't have an ID by 10/20, you probably won't have one by 2/21, but avoids the bad stories at a time that matters.

There will be an avalanche of passport applications.

Boggie Dog

Make no mistake, I think DHS will have to set a final deadline for Real ID, it is a law. The questions to me are if DHS will hold fast with this latest deadline and what will happen at the nations TSA checkpoints on whatever day the end date is.

rickg523

Once I get used to carrying my passport for domestic travel, I'll probably never bother with a Real ID.

N830MH

That is correct! It is a law! Deadline is on October 1, 2020. If you have a star on your new travel driver license or identification card. The standards ID is no longer existing. You must go to motor vehicle division. You must fill it up and you take a pictures. You wait for your turn. You pay $25 fees for 8 years. They will mailing to you in 10 days and that's final!

WillCAD

TSA did make some concessions to public outcry by implementing perv boxes instead of publicly-viewable monitors; then eliminating the perv boxes in favor of ATR software; and eliminating the dangerous backscatter x-ray machines. They have also pushed back the RealID deadline multiple times to accommodate the states which weren't compliant. I don't know how likely it is that the deadline will be pushed back again in 2020, but it's not impossible if a couple of states are not yet fully compliant.

You may not have that choice forever. Once all 50 states and the various territories fully implement RealID, they will, I'm sure, eventually eliminate the option to get a non-compliant ID. You may buy an extra few years, but eventually I think you'll have no choice but to bring your papers to your DMV to renew your license or non-driver's ID, anywhere in the US.

rickg523

Well I just renewed last year (December birthday), so I've got until the end of 2023 to get an appointment.

looker001

I plan to buy cheap airline ticket on the day we need to have real id and try to fly with my non real id driver license and see how that goes. If i get denied, i will demand supervisor etc. Considering how many people do not have /will not have real id by the deadline i am not seeing it being enforced and instead there will be another extension.Edit i should mention that i normally do not fly with physical credit cards and now just travel with samsung pay. So using my credit card as secondary id will not work. This going to be fun as i am sure there will be media covering it in all major airports.

rickg523

Eagerly await that trip report

Often1

Meh.

Suspect you overrate how much the average TV viewer cares about this issue.

looker001

If few people have this issue i would agree with you, however that will not be the case considering around 40% of all population do not have real ID now, and i suspect many will not have any approved identification by the time of October 2020. Can you imagine million of people getting stuck around the country unable to fly because TSA says you need to have real id to get on the plane? It will be all over the news and with elections right around the country i am not seeing that happening. I can almost guarantee that federal government will blink and give another 6-12 month extension. After which they will probably give another 3 months extension etc. Until number of population not having real id is down to few % in terms of those that fly, real id will not become mandatory in all states.

Boggie Dog

They won't care one wit until they try making a trip to visit a dying relative or some other immediate event and TSA says they can't be cleared past security because they don't have a star on their drivers license. Then they will care.