Am I overreacting to this pat down?
Jul 1, 2016, 10:45 am
#31
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Having been a cop (albeit in the Air Force - but you'd be amazed at stuff that really goes on inside the perimeter) and having actually searched suspects for weapons, I agree that what was done in this case was ridiculous, unnecessary, and a complete violation of privacy, personal space - you name it.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Jul 1, 2016, 11:07 am
#32
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Having been a cop (albeit in the Air Force - but you'd be amazed at stuff that really goes on inside the perimeter) and having actually searched suspects for weapons, I agree that what was done in this case was ridiculous, unnecessary, and a complete violation of privacy, personal space - you name it.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Happened at Denver.
Jul 1, 2016, 11:40 am
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WOW... the interesting thing is that you were in the pre-check line... you would think the pat down would be abbreviated since pre-check members are lower risk. Maybe it is a new policy instruction because just this week I had my crotch groped by TSA while being randomly selected for additional screening in the pre-check line at LAX. The must have been groping everyone because right after he finished fondling me and I grabbed my stuff, a lady in front of me asked me if he grabbed my crotch. I replied "Yep!" and she went over to the TSA desk to complain...
Jul 1, 2016, 11:40 am
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Having been a cop (albeit in the Air Force - but you'd be amazed at stuff that really goes on inside the perimeter) and having actually searched suspects for weapons, I agree that what was done in this case was ridiculous, unnecessary, and a complete violation of privacy, personal space - you name it.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Jul 1, 2016, 11:42 am
#36
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WOW... the interesting thing is that you were in the pre-check line... you would think the pat down would be abbreviated since pre-check members are lower risk. Maybe it is a new policy instruction because just this week I had my crotch groped by TSA while being randomly selected for additional screening in the pre-check line at LAX. The must have been groping everyone because right after he finished fondling me and I grabbed my stuff, a lady in front of me asked me if he grabbed my crotch. I replied "Yep!" and she went over to the TSA desk to complain...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/26658947-post620.html
Jul 1, 2016, 12:32 pm
#37
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And, NO, you are NOT overreacting! I have said it before and I'll say it again. These pat-downs are WAY TOO INVASIVE!
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Jul 1, 2016, 7:27 pm
#40
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Having been a cop (albeit in the Air Force - but you'd be amazed at stuff that really goes on inside the perimeter) and having actually searched suspects for weapons, I agree that what was done in this case was ridiculous, unnecessary, and a complete violation of privacy, personal space - you name it.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Anyone who needs that many passes to search the groin area has some sort of sensory deficit - or is doing so to be a complete tool.
I am now a nurse. I have stood in rooms as a chaperone with providers doing pelvic exams. I've done physical exams on patients. I've BEEN a patient. If a medical provider did this to me without cause, I'd file suit. If I witnessed a provider doing this to a patient without cause (and really - would there BE a cause?!), I'd report them.
This is not a TSA agent "doing their job" and I have zero sympathy or empathy for any of them that believe this is acceptable.
It's downright disgusting.
Jul 2, 2016, 1:52 pm
#41
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I have gotten the random alarm whilst in the PreCheck and been given a pat down that moved me about similar to what was shown in the video. I would the say the TSO was a noob doing his first pat down.
I guess the bigger question is why did you move out of the pose?
I guess the bigger question is why did you move out of the pose?
Jul 2, 2016, 5:42 pm
#42
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I have gotten the random alarm whilst in the PreCheck and been given a pat down that moved me about similar to what was shown in the video. I would the say the TSO was a noob doing his first pat down.
I guess the bigger question is why did you move out of the pose?
I guess the bigger question is why did you move out of the pose?
Jul 2, 2016, 6:40 pm
#43
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You didn't want to go through xray so good on them. I dont think there should be a choice. He might of thought you had something to hide.
I've had a full body pat down including all over boobs. It was like firm foreplay where they could tell my bra was underwire and where the lace is
You refused to go in xray so good on them for doing their job.
I've had a full body pat down including all over boobs. It was like firm foreplay where they could tell my bra was underwire and where the lace is
You refused to go in xray so good on them for doing their job.
Jul 2, 2016, 6:50 pm
#44
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"it's a violation of personal, intimate space"
I guess I just don't see it that way. For me not that big a deal. They are doing their jobs. You present to security, you have implied consent. Disagree with the policy, and I do, fine, work on that with your elected representatives, not at the screening site.
I guess I just don't see it that way. For me not that big a deal. They are doing their jobs. You present to security, you have implied consent. Disagree with the policy, and I do, fine, work on that with your elected representatives, not at the screening site.
You have actual data on the effectiveness of body scanners? Please share.
Jul 4, 2016, 9:00 am
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I've seen that in Japan too. I watched a male colleague being frisked by a very determined Japanese woman at Narita who shoved her hand down the front of his trousers and went around his waist band. He smiled and said, "Sweetheart, if your hand goes down any further we're going to have to get married."
Sadly, I didn't get the same treatment.
Sadly, I didn't get the same treatment.
Last edited by Badenoch; Jul 4, 2016 at 9:08 am