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Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26257952)

I wouldn't be surprised if being a vet improves one's chances for a thumb's up from TSA.

That would make sense for myself but wouldn't explain why my wife receives Pre also. The only linkage is that we both have ID's, mine retired, hers my dependent, along with all the other databases retirees and there families are listed in.

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Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26257952)

I wouldn't be surprised if being a vet improves one's chances for a thumb's up from TSA.

Which is ironic, because, statistically, it makes you more likely to attempt an act of terrorism than the US population at large. The odds for either group (vets and non-vets) are both vanishingly small, but if there's going to be any difference in treatment, it should be to screen vets (and active duty soldiers) MORE, not less. Not that I'm recommending this (I'm a strong "Pre for everyone, starting now" advocate).

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Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 26257274)

TSA announced a long time ago that it was phasing out the freebie pilot program and that program is now gone. We're now on our third iteration of Managed Inclusion and that isn't even based on FF status.

These two sentences seem self contradictory. The "third iteration of Managed Inclusion" is just another "freebie pilot program" as I understand it.

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Originally Posted by Ari (Post 26262608)

These two sentences seem self contradictory. The "third iteration of Managed Inclusion" is just another "freebie pilot program" as I understand it.

Actually, there's no clear definition of any of the versions of MI.

FSDs and individual screeners decide which flavors, if any, of MI will be applied at a particular checkpoint or airport at any particular time.

If you know the rules and they are practiced consistently, then the bad guys will get in. That's why even some FFs show up at Pre unprepared - you never know what to expect.

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Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26262636)

But they are each a free pass to PreCheck for "some, but not all". That was my point. The minutiae between each MI is not relevant. They're still giving it out.

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Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26262636)

In my case Pre Check was printed on my boarding pass 24 hours before the flight so I doubt that any of the local screeners had any part in the decision. As I said up thread I don't know the mechanism but I suspect it has to do with when a name is submitted for clearance and some factor is arrived at awarding Pre.

I am not an American Citizen and I get precheck regularly. I have had extensive background checks though for both of my Green Cards.

My colleague with whom I've been regularly traveling seems to be getting PreCheck maybe 2/3 times. She doesn't have a PreCheck or Global Entry membership, but is a United Million Miler. I have had GE since late 2012 and can't recall the last time I did NOT have PreCheck - maybe early 2013?

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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26257359)

No airline status, not a paid Pre Check but had Pre Check on a flight yesterday. The free program, pilot or not, has not ended.

Indeed. I'm seeing boarding passes with PreCheck on them even for foreign visitors (including VWP users) to the US who may have had no idea what it is and have never even joined any "trusted traveler" extortion racket. And some of these foreign visitors to the UShave been getting 100% PreCheck on US domestic and US-originating international flights on eligible carriers for all of last year and this year. Also, I'm seeing lots of 60+ years of age persons still getting it 100% this year on eligible carriers despite not being approved in any of these "trusted traveler" membership programs.

Is it Neffenger or the spokes-folks who don't know what's happening at the checkpoints?

Or is there some subtler purpose to the on-going announcements about the various imminent curtailments of 'free Pre'?

Is this just a big test? Some airports rarely offer Pre, some airports offer only Pre Lite, and some airports hand out free Pre for any number of reasons? Then compare Red Team test results to see what produces the best results?

H.R.4408 would be my guess. Doesn't seem to be specific about this.

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Originally Posted by gingersnaps (Post 26257151)

The bill is not reference by number nor is it linked. What bill is it and what proof is there of the "tighten enrollment" for precheck?

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Originally Posted by okamzikprosim (Post 26263752)

H.R.4408 would be my guess. Doesn't seem to be specific about this.

The bill is H.R. 3584, and the proof is in reading it.

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SEC. 103. LIMITATION; PRECHECK OPERATIONS MAINTAINED; ALTERNATE METHODS.
(a) In General.—Except as provided in subsection (c), the Administrator shall direct that access to expedited airport security screening at an airport security checkpoint be limited to only the following:

(1) A passenger who voluntarily submits biographic and biometric information for a security risk assessment and whose application for the PreCheck program has been approved, or a passenger who is a participant in another trusted or registered traveler program of the Department.

(2) A passenger traveling pursuant to section 44903 of title 49, United States Code (as established under the Risk-Based Security for Members of the Armed Forces Act (Public Law 112–86)), section 44927 of such title (as established under the Helping Heroes Fly Act (Public Law 113–27)), or section 44928 of such title (as established under the Honor Flight Act (Public Law 113–221)).

(3) A passenger who did not voluntarily submit biographic and biometric information for a security risk assessment but is a member of a population designated by the Administrator as known and low-risk and who may be issued a unique, known traveler number by the Administrator determining that such passenger is a member of a category of travelers designated by the Administrator as known and low-risk.

(b) PreCheck Operations Maintained.—In carrying out subsection (a), the Administrator shall ensure that expedited airport security screening remains available to passengers at or above the level that exists on the day before the date of the enactment of this Act.

(c) Frequent Fliers.—If the Administrator determines that such is appropriate, the implementation of subsection (a) may be delayed by up to 1 year with respect to the population of passengers who did not voluntarily submit biographic and biometric information for security risk assessments but who nevertheless receive expedited airport security screening because such passengers are designated as frequent fliers by air carriers. If the Administrator uses the authority provided by this subsection, the Administrator shall notify the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate of such phased-in implementation.

(3) and (b) are particularly interesting.

The unnamed 'Administrator' can issue known traveler numbers to members of a 'population designated by the Administrator as known and low-risk' - with no requirement for biographic or biometric information, ie, no background check of any sort.

Seriously? An unnamed administrator can hand out KTNs to anyone he has designated 'low risk' without a background check?

Did he start with his immediate family and circle of friends?

(b) "In carrying out subsection (a), the Administrator shall ensure that expedited airport security screening remains available to passengers at or above the level that exists on the day before the date of the enactment of this Act."

That doesn't seem to line up with airports that offer Pre less and less often, but it's not like HQ tells FSDs what to do anyway.

Well, it may tell them what to do, but it doesn't enforce it.

(3) could be for congress critters.

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Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26269429)

Setting aside any concerns about the breadth of the delegation (or the merits), the "Administrator" is defined earlier in the law (in the definitions section) as the TSA Administrator. This is a fairly typical way of defining terms that come up repeatedly in laws.