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TSA "continues to operate in disarray" with unvetted workers and lost credentials
"Government oversight officials informed Congress on Wednesday that the Transportation Security Administration continues to operate in disarray, failing to record basic security details for thousands of employees and not tracking official IDs and badges that allow access to the most sensitive areas of an airport. Full story here...Lawmakers described the security agency as operating “in chaos” and expressed frustration with Obama administration officials as they informed the House Oversight Committee about a range of security shortfalls that continue to endanger the nation’s 450 commercial airports." http://freebeacon.com/national-secur...nal-histories/ |
I think it would just be easier to assume that the TSA is in a continuous state of disarray and post something when it gets fixed.
Of course, then we'd have a very empty forum. Mike |
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 26138619)
I think it would just be easier to assume that the TSA is in a continuous state of disarray and post something when it gets fixed.
Of course, then we'd have a very empty forum. Mike I don't care about disarray. I just want to be able to transit a US checkpoint the same way I transit checkpoints everywhere else in the world: no barking, no hands inside my pants, no fingers in my butt crack, no groin chops, no rifling my bag when it is out of my sight, no BS 'screener discretion' used to steal my nitro pills. What next? TSA requires you to squat and cough before your scan or grope? |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 26138666)
I've learned to live with the disarray that the government seems to have just noticed.
I don't care about disarray. I just want to be able to transit a US checkpoint the same way I transit checkpoints everywhere else in the world: no barking, no hands inside my pants, no fingers in my butt crack, no groin chops, no rifling my bag when it is out of my sight, no BS 'screener discretion' used to steal my nitro pills. What next? TSA requires you to squat and cough before your scan or grope? Boss III chair! |
Next Layer?
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 26140679)
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Originally Posted by DeafBlonde
(Post 26149675)
WOW, just, WOW! Is this the next "layer" of security for airline passengers? :confused::eek:
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For those interested in the testimony mention on the freebeacon article, see House Oversight committee "Securing Our Skies: Oversight of Aviation Credentials"
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Testimony of DHS Inspector General John Roth:
“TSA does not recurrently vet airport workers’ criminal histories after they are initially cleared to work, but rely on individuals to self-report disqualifying crimes.” From the Feb 3, 2016, testimony of TSA Deputy Assistant Administrator Darby LaJoye: TSA recognizes the value of conducting more frequent, or recurrent, criminal checks on workers to identify cases where there has been subsequent criminal activity since the original application. To date, TSA ... does not have access to recurrent criminal checks as are available to law enforcement agencies. Feb 4, 2016 statement of TSA Administrator Peter to foxnews: “Right now we have 900,000 or so people that are badged in some level of access to airports across the nation,” Neffenger told Fox. “They are recurrently vetted – I mean, on a daily basis – against terrorist databases for any information that may indicate that they are people that we need to be concerned about.” |
Originally Posted by gingersnaps
(Post 26150121)
Testimony of DHS Inspector General John Roth:
“TSA does not recurrently vet airport workers’ criminal histories after they are initially cleared to work, but rely on individuals to self-report disqualifying crimes.” From the Feb 3, 2016, testimony of TSA Deputy Assistant Administrator Darby LaJoye: TSA recognizes the value of conducting more frequent, or recurrent, criminal checks on workers to identify cases where there has been subsequent criminal activity since the original application. To date, TSA ... does not have access to recurrent criminal checks as are available to law enforcement agencies. Feb 4, 2016 statement of TSA Administrator Peter to foxnews: “Right now we have 900,000 or so people that are badged in some level of access to airports across the nation,” Neffenger told Fox. “They are recurrently vetted – I mean, on a daily basis – against terrorist databases for any information that may indicate that they are people that we need to be concerned about.” |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 26150667)
Somebody's not telling the truth. Can we guess which one?
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Some additional national attention to the TSA's inability to do its job:
http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/mi...security-abyss |
Misleading
The article blurs the line between TSA and all employees. The issue is with all other employees. There is a lot of buck passing on this issue. TSA runs their employees every 24 hours.
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26165851)
The article blurs the line between TSA and all employees. The issue is with all other employees. There is a lot of buck passing on this issue. TSA runs their employees every 24 hours.
I assume TSA does the 5 year background check cycle common to some other agencies. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26165851)
The article blurs the line between TSA and all employees. The issue is with all other employees. There is a lot of buck passing on this issue. TSA runs their employees every 24 hours.
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26165851)
The article blurs the line between TSA and all employees. The issue is with all other employees. There is a lot of buck passing on this issue. TSA runs their employees every 24 hours.
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 26166128)
What do you mean by "TSA runs their employees every 24 hours"?
I assume TSA does the 5 year background check cycle common to some other agencies. “Right now we have 900,000 or so people that are badged in some level of access to airports across the nation,” Neffenger told Fox. “They are recurrently vetted – I mean, on a daily basis – against terrorist databases for any information that may indicate that they are people that we need to be concerned about.” |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 26167260)
If I take a huge leap of faith and define "Runs their employees" as the equivalent of a cop "running" a warrant check during a traffic stop, the TSA would be essentially doing ~60,000 traffic stops every day. This assumes that all of the TSA data bases upon which people are "run" are updated at least daily in order to be accurate. Doing this 60,000 times per day just isn't happening and 900,000 per day is somewhere between lying and delusional.
Unfortunately eyecue has a habit of dropping in but not hanging around to discuss her statements. |
I suspect a successful daily vetting means the badge reader didn't reject your badge, nothing more.
Even that would be highly suspect, given the hundreds of unaccounted-for credentials. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 26168120)
I suspect a successful daily vetting means the badge reader didn't reject your badge, nothing more.
Even that would be highly suspect, given the hundreds of unaccounted-for credentials. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 26168120)
I suspect a successful daily vetting means the badge reader didn't reject your badge, nothing more.
Even that would be highly suspect, given the hundreds of unaccounted-for credentials. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26165851)
The article blurs the line between TSA and all employees. The issue is with all other employees. There is a lot of buck passing on this issue. TSA runs their employees every 24 hours.
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 26166128)
What do you mean by "TSA runs their employees every 24 hours"?
I assume TSA does the 5 year background check cycle common to some other agencies. I have serious doubts that TSA checks the identities of all 60,000 TSA employees against the no-fly list, terrorist watch lists, NCIC, or anything else, on a daily basis. I doubt that the union even runs the entire 60,000 employee roster to check for unpaid dues more than twice a week.
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 26168485)
...and doesn't take piggybacking into account...
I wonder how many tens of thousands of TSOs do it on a daily basis? |
OK, what am I missing here?
If I book a plane ticket, supposedly my name is checked against a variety of databases to make sure I'm not listed somewhere. But TSA can't check their own employees against these databases because they claim they don't have all the access they need? No animus, but this is seriously the worst-run organization I have ever had the misfortune to encounter - and I am not even talking about the checkpoint experience. HQ spokespeople who consistently post misleading or flat-out wrong information - I won't use a harsher and more accurate term, but Blogdad Bob clearly does not understand the meaning of truth. But you also had Ross, who sounded honest, who said the 'name game' was gone at airports - and it wasn't. You've got HQ funding sign-up stations and advertising for Pre even as more and more airports are watering it down or refusing altogether to offer it (PHX, notably, but there are others). You had John Pistole publicly apologizing to Mr. Sawyer and assuring him that no TSO would ever again manhandle and rupture a pax ostomy bag - yet a few months later, the same thing happened to Sawyer again at the SAME airport (fortunately the bag didn't burst the second time). They are waaaaay worse than the IRS ever dreamed of being. The IRS has its faults, but there is a sense that it is a coherent organization with a sense of mission. TSA - even at HQ, 'consistent inconsistency' abounds. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 26170534)
OK, what am I missing here?
If I book a plane ticket, supposedly my name is checked against a variety of databases to make sure I'm not listed somewhere. But TSA can't check their own employees against these databases because they claim they don't have all the access they need? No animus, but this is seriously the worst-run organization I have ever had the misfortune to encounter - and I am not even talking about the checkpoint experience. HQ spokespeople who consistently post misleading or flat-out wrong information - I won't use a harsher and more accurate term, but Blogdad Bob clearly does not understand the meaning of truth. But you also had Ross, who sounded honest, who said the 'name game' was gone at airports - and it wasn't. You've got HQ funding sign-up stations and advertising for Pre even as more and more airports are watering it down or refusing altogether to offer it (PHX, notably, but there are others). You had John Pistole publicly apologizing to Mr. Sawyer and assuring him that no TSO would ever again manhandle and rupture a pax ostomy bag - yet a few months later, the same thing happened to Sawyer again at the SAME airport (fortunately the bag didn't burst the second time). They are waaaaay worse than the IRS ever dreamed of being. The IRS has its faults, but there is a sense that it is a coherent organization with a sense of mission. TSA - even at HQ, 'consistent inconsistency' abounds. Read the report carefully and you will realize that TSA is putting us all at risk. |
TSA employees are run through the watch list databases every 24 hours. The NCIC checks and local checks are conducted yearly and randomly also. Then there is the 10 year reinvestigation that includes EVERYTHING including financial status. My last 10 year review took 90 minutes with 2 examiners!
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26173827)
TSA employees are run through the watch list databases every 24 hours. The NCIC checks and local checks are conducted yearly and randomly also. Then there is the 10 year reinvestigation that includes EVERYTHING including financial status. My last 10 year review took 90 minutes with 2 examiners!
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The issue with all other employees and buck passing is every SIDA employee at an airport has to have a background check done. TSA runs them and there WAS an issue with TSA checks not being allowed access to other agencies response codes to the query . So some of the employees that are not TSA could have been on a database for another agency and that agency did not have integration into TSA's system so the results were not valid. The issue has since been corrected.
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 26173846)
Now the story changes.
How so? |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 26168020)
I didn't speculate on exactly what eyecue meant by that statement so I asked.
Unfortunately eyecue has a habit of dropping in but not hanging around to discuss her statements. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26173871)
How so?
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26173869)
The issue with all other employees and buck passing is every SIDA employee at an airport has to have a background check done. TSA runs them and there WAS an issue with TSA checks not being allowed access to other agencies response codes to the query . So some of the employees that are not TSA could have been on a database for another agency and that agency did not have integration into TSA's system so the results were not valid. The issue has since been corrected.
Now I agree TSA is responsible for oversight of background checks but like most other things TSA is responsible for TSA has failed in this endeavor also. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26173827)
TSA employees are run through the watch list databases every 24 hours. The NCIC checks and local checks are conducted yearly and randomly also. Then there is the 10 year reinvestigation that includes EVERYTHING including financial status. My last 10 year review took 90 minutes with 2 examiners!
By the way, I'm going to guess that the information you just posted is most likely SSI, and by posting it on the internet you may have violated your employment agreement and could be subject to termination. |
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